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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 16:12:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying they're not being truthful to their art or anything, it just sounds like they've been making the same album in different variations over the past decade or so. I'm sure it's not intentional, they're just turning into the 00's version of the Stones. Their creative peak as songwriters is a thing of the past.
As for their live performances, that's a whole different issue. Experience does wonders for live acts. I saw the Stones on the Bridges to Babylon tour and even though they were promoting one of the worst albums of their career, I got my ass kicked that night.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 15, 2007 16:17:05 GMT -5
I saw the Stones on that tour too, they were still one of the best live bands I ever seen.
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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 16:28:15 GMT -5
Just to get back on topic here for a minute, I gotta say I came THIS close to voting for Justice for All. Probably because "Eye Of The Beholder" is my favourite Metallica song of all. "Leper Messiah" is a VERY close second, but over all, MOP is just a stronger album. And what's with the complaints about Justice's production? I love the deafening drum effects on the record. I think it's the best thing about it.  |
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 15, 2007 16:30:22 GMT -5
I saw the Stones on that tour too. It was an excellent show, yes, although I really hate those huge arena shows in general.
At the show I was at, someone died because they were dancing on the railing in the upper bowl. Of course they slipped and landed onto the concrete stairs below. I think it was during "Sympathy for the Devil".
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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 16:33:01 GMT -5
Rocky, you just made me laugh. I hope that doesn't make me a heartless bastard.
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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 16:35:50 GMT -5
...I mean, what a song to meet your maker to? "Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name? wooo hooo, I'm faaaalling" LMAO!
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Post by Paul on Mar 15, 2007 16:46:33 GMT -5
I agree with DED. Pearl Jam is nothing if not completely sincere. Also, anyone who thinks that last album was a case of phoning it in is deaf. I like this post |
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Post by Paul on Mar 15, 2007 16:51:48 GMT -5
Nah, Pearl Jam started 'mailing it in' with everything they did after No Code. That was their last, great album IMO. No Code, no way, but Binaural and Avocado are the most obvious cases of Pearl Jam 'mailing it in' as you put it. don't like this one so much. Binaural gets a bad wrap...I can see, err hear why, but honestly, that album took the longest of any Pearl Jam record to grow on me. IMO, it's a very interesting album. PJ recorded in a weird way, it's very dense and doesn't really sound like anything else they've ever done. Plus w/ the addition of Matt Cameron, they morphed into a more technical band. "Insignificance" is an example of this. I don't think PJ was good enough in 1992 to make that song. Matt has kinda influenced the band to mess around with different time signatures and whatnot, or so it sounds. I really believe they've gotten more complicated as a band since he's joined. Now as for Riot Act, they kinda mailed that one in. IMO, that's their only real misfire. |
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Post by Paul on Mar 15, 2007 16:54:57 GMT -5
Just to get back on topic here for a minute, I gotta say I came THIS close to voting for Justice for All. Probably because "Eye Of The Beholder" is my favourite Metallica song of all. "Leper Messiah" is a VERY close second, but over all, MOP is just a stronger album. And what's with the complaints about Justice's production? I love the deafening drum effects on the record. I think it's the best thing about it. Really, those first 4 albums are pretty neck and neck. "Eye of the Beholder" is one of my faves too. I also really like "Harvester of Sorrow" from Justice as well. The whole album is solid. Man, I haven't heard it in years....I think it may be time to take it out of the vault. If I recall correctly, there is absolutely no bass on it though, and that's the problem. It's as if they mixed Jason completely out. I'd love to hear a remaster w/ the bass mixed in a bit more. |
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 15, 2007 17:03:48 GMT -5
No, they haven't. I agree they're still OK at times, and they're still one of my favourite bands of all time, but their last few albums don't even come close to being as good as they were right up until Achtung. Agreed, but I still think ATYCLB is a great album and HTDAAB is good. Not very fond of Zooropa or Pop, so if what DED was talking about was continual greatness, then yeah, I will admit that they haven't consistently written great music each album, like Jane's Addiction did for 4 years (to make one example). But DED listed 84 to 91, leaving behind Boy, October and War, which I heartily disagree with. I dig Rattle And Hum and don't get why everyone here considers it to be a big piece of shit. So even if we wrote off all U2 albums after Achtung, they still wrote stellar albums from 80 to 91, which is more than a decade. |
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Post by Galactus on Mar 15, 2007 17:12:27 GMT -5
Boy, October and War are all the same album and at least IMO not a very good one. I know we're not going to agree on that but just to let you know where I stand on them. I do, however, agree that ATYCLB is almost as good as those late 80's albums.
I'm not sure if a band has to be great continuously for for a decade so much as having being great a decade after the first greatness. Again I personally wouldn't consider ATYCLB great but you probably would and should argue for it. I don't think a band should quit because of a slump. It's ridiculous to expect greatness from bands anyway. Some bands are most bands aren't.
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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 17:15:52 GMT -5
Nice to see Justice finally getting a vote. I almost feel guilty not voting for it myself. However, I hate the fact that it's tied with the Load albums. That's just wrong.
Oh and you're right Paul about "Harvester Of Sorrow". That kicks some mighty ass. As do "Blackened", "One" and "The Shortest Straw". 5 star album all the way.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 15, 2007 17:19:31 GMT -5
I love ...And Justice, it's just not better then Puppets.
Kill 'em All - 4 1/2
Ride - 5
Puppets - 5*
Garage Days - 4 1/2
Justice - 5
Black - 4
Load - 3
Reload - 2 1/2
St. Anger - 1
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 15, 2007 17:19:39 GMT -5
Boy, October and War are all the same album...
I object! Just because U2 didn't change their sound much on their first 3 albums, doesn't mean they aren't different. If what you say is right on target then I suppose I could say the same about several albums from many big bands, including the Clash (I'm always picking on them, aren't I?) If you look at their whole career, it's obvious that those 3 are the most alike but that's because they've changed so much in so many different ways through the years, moreso than your average band.
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Post by KooL on Mar 15, 2007 17:35:14 GMT -5
You could make a nice mini-greatest hits collection from the first 3 U2 albums, which is what Under A Blood Red Sky basically served as. And what a fantastic album that was. It was actually my introduction to the band's music at the time. I actually prefer the live versions on that record (especially Sunday Bloody Sunday which shits all over the studio version).
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