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Nov 11, 2004 12:40:49 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 11, 2004 12:40:49 GMT -5
Sociology is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen.
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Nov 11, 2004 12:43:38 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 11, 2004 12:43:38 GMT -5
I am saying we should TOSS AWAY OUR SHACKLES OF FEAR implemented by this current administration, "JUST SAY NO" to the Media/Newsspeak that feeds us LIE upon LIE in order to justify their Crusade, and get back to the quite simple and direct tenets as preached by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago: that all men are brothers, that we should FORGIVE our enemies, and that we should draw courage from our faith in God, rather than lashing back at our enemies out of fear.
It is not something I expect anyone on these boards to really understand.
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Nov 11, 2004 12:46:33 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 11, 2004 12:46:33 GMT -5
You yourself acknowledged JAC that no one is immune from this "dark side". All I'm saying is that if we wanted to . . . we could build up the antibodies in our system to combat it.
That dark side that is in every one of us? Look into it.
Deal with it.
That is all I'm saying.
But Bush would rather ignore his own dark side -- our own dark side -- and pursue his agenda of hunting down the dark side in others.
That is wrong.
It is wrong because even the Bible states "Judge not lest ye be judged". Get it-?
And it will never end "terror", or "evil", this judgement of others and the pursuit of hunting them down in a puerile attempt to "stamp out" their dark side: in fact, it will achieve quite the opposite. It will merely continue to engender it.
We reap what we sow . . .
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Nov 11, 2004 12:50:32 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 11, 2004 12:50:32 GMT -5
How many times have we had this discussion? Jesus was not the Robotic pacifist that you perceive him as Thorn.
Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
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Nov 11, 2004 12:54:36 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 11, 2004 12:54:36 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from thorn. A lot of people just think war is the answer, and we can just go over there and do away with terror. It's not going to happen. All we're doing is blowing up more of their shit, killing more of their people, and just generally pissing them off. It just builds and builds until eventually they will have their revenge. Again. And then the ball is in our court. It's a cycle that's never going to end. If you think we're not going to get attacked again you're a fool. It's just a matter of when and where. And it's probably going to be worse. You never fucking get anywhere doing what we do. I'm not saying I have the answer, but war sure as fuck isn't it.
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Nov 11, 2004 12:55:39 GMT -5
Post by Ampage on Nov 11, 2004 12:55:39 GMT -5
Thorny, any particular reason you are quoting today a person that yesterday you didn’t really believe in?
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Nov 11, 2004 12:56:26 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 11, 2004 12:56:26 GMT -5
Thorn you need to step back into reality. There is no "dealing" with fanatical or tyrannical idividuals such as Osama and Saddam. They have been terrorizing for years. Go talk your talk to them.
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Nov 11, 2004 12:57:19 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 11, 2004 12:57:19 GMT -5
Actually I do have the answer - A giant forcefield. I just don't know how to go about making that.
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Nov 11, 2004 12:57:59 GMT -5
Post by Nepenthe on Nov 11, 2004 12:57:59 GMT -5
Thorny, any particular reason you are quoting today a person that yesterday you didn’t really believe in? He is John Kerry's brother? |
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Nov 11, 2004 13:03:11 GMT -5
Post by Thorngrub on Nov 11, 2004 13:03:11 GMT -5
Thorny, any particular reason you are quoting today a person that yesterday you didn’t really believe in? I don't know what you're referring to. Which person did I quote today that yesterday I didn't really believe in -? Perhaps you are merely referencing my ability to keep an open mind, and change it. If you cannot change your mind -- are you sure you have one? |
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JACkory
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Nov 11, 2004 13:05:20 GMT -5
Post by JACkory on Nov 11, 2004 13:05:20 GMT -5
Thorn...I wasn't really thinking about the topic in relation to Bush's activities in Iraq. I'm very uncomfortable with the notion that the United States OR Iraq necessarilly has "God on their side". It's too complex a situation to melt it down to some sort of battle between good and evil, because heaven knows there's a lot of BOTH on either side of this thing.
Then again, by the same token, I don't think the Bush administration is some sort of Orwellian beast with plans to rule the world. We are engaged in a war on terror in which the object is to eliminate those who resort to terrorist tactics. That is what we are doing, that is why we're still in Afghanistan and that's why we've targeted Fallujah. To blow this up into a lust for worldwide domination, in my opinion, is overkill on the same level as describing the Bush administration as "barbaric".
get back to the quite simple and direct tenets as preached by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago: that all men are brothers, that we should FORGIVE our enemies, and that we should draw courage from our faith in God, rather than lashing back at our enemies out of fear...
We can't "get back" to those tenets because we have never been able to live by them in the first place.
And we are not "lashing back at our enemies out of fear". We are eradicating terror networks that would like nothing more than to inflict us with a calamity even greater than 9/11. We are attempting to prevent a holocaust the likes of which has never been seen on this planet. And there are going to be martyrs to the cause. If you're saying that the "fear" we are lashing out from is the fear of what these radicals might be capable of doing if left unchecked, then I'd say that's a pretty healthy fear and one worth acting upon.
Pissin, you say that you DO believe that there is a moral law that we're all born with. We're on the same page.
And it has to come from somewhere, right?
Is it too much to suggest that this sense of morality comes from a benevolent Creator? From God? From whatever you want to call It?
And if so, and if religion is a means to attempt to understand and even commune with this Entity that has blessed us with a moral law that keeps us from slaughtering each other willy-nilly, then how in the world can you justify calling it a "useless tool", a "waste of time" and a collection of "fairy tales"?
I know you saw that coming...
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Nov 11, 2004 13:05:28 GMT -5
Post by Philemon on Nov 11, 2004 13:05:28 GMT -5
Sociology is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen.
First it was Philosophy, now this ??
No wonders you have trouble dealing with the concept
of human nature in general and Evolution in particular ...
Ignorance is bliss ...
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Nov 11, 2004 13:07:50 GMT -5
Post by Ampage on Nov 11, 2004 13:07:50 GMT -5
I don't know what you're referring to. Which person did I quote today that yesterday I didn't really believe in -? Perhaps you are merely referencing my ability to keep an open mind, and change it. If you cannot change your mind -- are you sure you have one? WTF? YOU ARE A KERRY! |
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Nov 11, 2004 13:11:21 GMT -5
Post by JACkory on Nov 11, 2004 13:11:21 GMT -5
You never fucking get anywhere doing what we do. I'm not saying I have the answer, but war sure as fuck isn't it. I dunno...we haven't had much trouble from the Japanese since Truman dropped the A-bomb. |
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Nov 11, 2004 13:13:08 GMT -5
Post by pissin2 on Nov 11, 2004 13:13:08 GMT -5
I said I have no idea where it comes from. It could come from god. If he exists. None of us know, and won't unless he comes down and reveals himself. That's why I think it's a waste of time to worship something that is so uncertain and only a feeling, or belief, instead of focusing on what we actually do have in front of us, things we are certain of, and dealing with those.
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