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Post by mellie on Oct 12, 2005 11:03:17 GMT -5
Im discussing the issue of why the CE boards are dead. So... if thats not the topic that this was originally intended for, then someone should change the title. Im saying in order for more people to participate, there needs to be less of an additude all around. As far as extending you the branch, that was just included in the topic, as a way to make the CE board a more enjoyable place for everyone to be.
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Post by chrisfan on Oct 12, 2005 11:06:15 GMT -5
Forgive me then, I must have misread your posts. I thought they said "Chrisfan" and I thought the "you" referred to that. I realize now that they said "CE" rather than Chrisfan. So I stand corrected.
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Post by ScottsyII on Oct 12, 2005 11:13:57 GMT -5
FTR - there have been times I've read things from Mary and Drum and thought they were condecending too. That does not mean that I spend all day and night whining about it, and it does not mean that I start threads to discuss how sad I am that not everyone loves me. I buck up, I respond, and I move on. Grow the fuck up and quit reading boards non stop that make you so fucking upset. Kat's board bores me to tears. That's why I don't read it. It works quite well. Try it Kat's crew!!!!!!!
Although I do recall you reading that board and bringing up something I said on it in another discussion. Perhaps you should try following your own philosophy.
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Post by mellie on Oct 12, 2005 11:17:49 GMT -5
Forgive me then, I must have misread your posts. I thought they said "Chrisfan" and I thought the "you" referred to that. I realize now that they said "CE" rather than Chrisfan. So I stand corrected. Im glad that you saw that and thank you. I have PMd you, because I think that with some friendly conversation, CE could be a nice place to be for everyone involved. I have Pmd you as you asked, and look forward to being able to be involved in discussions. |
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Post by Galactus on Oct 12, 2005 11:43:46 GMT -5
Alot of it is the state of American politics right now. Middle ground isn't respected anymore and the other side is practically the enemy. Doc, Ken, shin, crhisfan, stratman...we've said it it at one point or another "Well, let call a spade a spade, I call 'em as I see 'em, I'm gonna call bullshit bullshit". As though any of us have the inside track. All of here are just voicing our opinions. I don't recall a time when CE has been all that civil...there are times when it's less personal and that's what we need to try to get back to. In the big picture Chrisfan's not going to change and neither am I. If you don't want your opinion to be challenged, if you don't want to be told you're wrong this is the wrong place to be. That's never been the problem though. The reason CE is dead is becuase we've shut it down. All of the regular posters here, for one reason or another, are tired of talking to the other side. So we've stopped. We'll start again, I have no doubt. It'll be the same ole bitch fest it always was until we shut down again. Except for chrisfan, who refuses to talk to most of the regulars now, there isn't much representation for the right as of late...odd as it may sound this board needs more conservatives...
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Post by mellie on Oct 12, 2005 11:46:21 GMT -5
Its one thing to be respectfully challenged and another to be attackinly challenged, which is why, in the past, I felt no desire to post in CE. Didnt want to be attacked. I can debate with the rest of them, but I dont want to be made to feel like an idiot because of what I beleive in.
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Post by chrisfan on Oct 12, 2005 12:00:09 GMT -5
Except for chrisfan, who refuses to talk to most of the regulars now, there isn't much representation for the right as of late...odd as it may sound this board needs more conservatives... Can you help me with the math here? I have the highest post count by far, but I refuse to talk to anyone? How does that work?  |
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Post by ScottsyII on Oct 12, 2005 19:23:39 GMT -5
Mantis, I agree, that this isn't exactly a warm and friendly area of the internet to be interacting in. I suppose if that's what people want, then that's what people are going to get.
And I guess if that's what people want out of their lives, thats what they get too. I am aware of the current "call a spade a spade" trend in politics, and while I agree that a little bit of blunt honesty gets the job done, there's also a place for decency, friendliness and consideration... something sadly lacking in most Western nations in general these days.
I think what began as a dream about freedom, liberty, whatever, in ALL western democracies is fast turning into a stupid world of assholes who only give a shit about themselves and fuck everyone else. It's called individualism, and when people go too far with it, you get a disintegrated society full of self obsessed pricks, and it pretty much explains why the world's such a fucked up place these days.
And I hate to say it, but the attitudes expressed on alot of CE pretty much typify that kind of behaviour.
Today this wonderful attitude just lost a wonderful, campassionate, warm and friendly person from the boards. I should know, she happens to be engaged to me. You guys have no idea how much of a loss to the boards this particular poster is, and i can only guess that she is taking her time and energy to another forum where people are valued and respected, whether they be discussing politics or the weather for the day.
So while you are all "calling a spade a spade" just remeber where it all leads eventually. Down the shitter basically. Probably where the Western world is pretty much eaded if it continues with this dumbass mentality.
Have a nice evening all.
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Post by strat-0 on Oct 12, 2005 19:30:32 GMT -5
... I don't recall a time when CE has been all that civil...there are times when it's less personal and that's what we need to try to get back to. In the big picture Chrisfan's not going to change and neither am I. If you don't want your opinion to be challenged, if you don't want to be told you're wrong this is the wrong place to be. That's never been the problem though. The reason CE is dead is because we've shut it down. All of the regular posters here, for one reason or another, are tired of talking to the other side. So we've stopped. We'll start again, I have no doubt. It'll be the same ole bitch fest it always was until we shut down again. ... There isn't much representation for the right as of late...odd as it may sound this board needs more conservatives... Ded makes some good points here (hope you don't mind my trimming the post a bit). As for me, I would like nothing more than for everyone who participates at CE to respect the opinions of others, be courteous, read carefully, refrain from personal insults of others, etc. I feel there would be more participation if that were the case. Having said that, it should come as no surprise that CE is far and away the most contentious of all the boards - that's by its very nature. I don't and wouldn't blame anyone who would rather not participate. It's up to us whether we want CE to be civilized enough for more general participation (and not up to me, btw. Just today I got more hate email for "censoring" the boards. Contrary to what some may think, I really do not wish to be the 'board police.' I find it very distasteful.) Ded is also on target about the 'right' being underrepresented at the moment around here. I think the poll I put up has verified that (that's one of the reasons I posted it). That's OK - we can't really help that, but I would submit this: since the right is clearly in the minority right now, it is incumbent upon those on the left or in the middle to at least be civil in their responses to the right, unless we want to completely drive them away and be left with only one point of view. And please don't start with the "they do it too" stuff - it's not important who "threw the first punch." As Ded also alluded, and I said earlier, I'm not all worried about CE just because things have taken a lull. I really don't think this is a board in crisis or anything. It's just another cycle. But I think the current discussion could be a positive thing, if we allow it be, and that we may actually be headed for an improvement in the board. Think back on how it was at CE at RS. Was that 'perfect harmony'? Hardly! And we don't need perfect harmony here, either, just some respect. A good place to start is to think about how much common ground there actually is, even between the most radical 'lefties' and 'righties' here. |
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Post by strat-0 on Oct 12, 2005 19:36:38 GMT -5
Scottsy, that was a great post. But there's no need for her to do that! She belongs here as much as anybody, and I don't understand why a minor tiff at CE should cause that. What about the people at Kat's and other boards? Please ask her to reconsider.
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Post by JACkory on Oct 12, 2005 19:40:40 GMT -5
You can only watch the spectacle of Roc Doc & Shin's never-ending clashes before the whole thing gets old. [ ] CE's dead? I didn't notice. I stopped posting there a long time ago and haven't paid too much attention to it at all in weeks. It's just too predictable. And I get sick of the "I'm right, you're wrong, so fuck you" attitude that both sides are guilty of. My unsolicited two cents, for which I expect no response. |
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Post by ScottsyII on Oct 12, 2005 19:43:27 GMT -5
I think there's more common ground that alot of folks would actually like to let on to be honest... :-)
I really do think Mantis hit the nail on the head in saying that right now the mentality and mood of the times is NOT one of tolerance or support for opposing views.
I would add that as a society we are more the fools for that fact. I can only thinkof one "rightie" I have come to blows with, and that really hasn't got anything to do with politics... some of my best friends are right wing leaning folks, to be honest, saying there is a right and a left is almost pointless these days... because I think there really isn't much political polarization anymore... its just arguing over small bit points within the same generally conservative frame. In none of the recent elections did I actually see any real leftist policies... and I don't see it much in the world scheme these days.
Conservatism really is the flavour of the month and has been since the early nineties from what I can recall.
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 12, 2005 19:45:50 GMT -5
For whatever (little) this may be worth ...
I'm really sorry to see Mellie go. While I can't recall having a "conversation" with her here in ages and ages, I've really enjoyed seeing her happiness and enthusiasm with Scottsy (with whom I'm involved in a continual game of title tag). I think her leaving represents a real and serious loss to these boards, and I would just like to add my voice to those asking that she reconsider this decision.
And I'd be a lot more likely to participate more actively in CE if the tone weren't always so offensive. It isn't reasoned disagreement, it's war. But I really don't expect it to change, so my contributions will continue to be sporadic.
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Post by ScottsyII on Oct 12, 2005 19:48:00 GMT -5
She'll stay in touch with everyone she knows and loves! I think aside from the CE stuff she just didn't feel much of a connection with the boards anymore, but I will keep her up to date with what's going on around here! I'll also add that if anyone wants to contact Mellie, just shoot me an email, and I'll be more than happy to give you her address to say hi!
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Post by strat-0 on Oct 12, 2005 19:57:58 GMT -5
Dammit, she had just made 'Underground Idol' status yesterday! Melliieeeeee!!
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