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Post by samplestiltskin on Mar 18, 2007 13:46:41 GMT -5
Yeah.. and I gave my copy of The Magus to my best friend's girlfriend.  |
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Mar 18, 2007 14:04:11 GMT -5
Riley, the key is to use a teflon-coated shovel on a cold (but not rainy) morning.
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Mar 18, 2007 14:11:46 GMT -5
smurfles, your carelessness with said tome has been noted ;P
tunes, I got the last Brookmyre about 6 months ago and still haven't read it. Is the significant other still getting the manuscripts for you? Life just ain't fair.
shin, there's no 'laundry', no further agenda. I pretty much said the lot in that one post mate. I wasn't here suggesting you have something of the night about you.
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Post by tuneschick on Mar 18, 2007 14:22:27 GMT -5
tunes, I got the last Brookmyre about 6 months ago and still haven't read it. Is the significant other still getting the manuscripts for you? Life just ain't fair. Sadly no, as Brookmyre's UK publishing company has joined on with a different distribution company here in Canada. So now I have to actually buy his books like some... commoner. Hmph. Life just ain't fair indeed.  I do really need to get caught up on his stuff though. Might even need to reread his older stuff, since it's been far too long. |
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Post by maarts on Mar 18, 2007 14:28:02 GMT -5
Are you calling me a hypocrite?
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Post by Mary on Mar 18, 2007 14:51:17 GMT -5
Personally I think both boards should come together to do whatever is necessary to get jllm to start posting again. I miss his dry british humor and raging self-deprecation and fondness for dubious also-ran forgotten 80s "goth" bands. Someday I am quite sure his 80s British Goth mix will help me nail a pale-faced black-clad loner who can't quite believe I know who Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were. Or whatever they're called.
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Post by shin on Mar 18, 2007 15:18:22 GMT -5
For those who have suggested it, Sedaka being viewable by the public at large won't happen. Things said about others is part of it, yes, but we've had a strict no-newb policy since the inception.
Whereas the Bitch Board was created on 4/1/2005 (yes, on April Fools, really), almost a full year after Sedaka started.
It's just how we roll. We keep to our own.
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 18, 2007 15:26:12 GMT -5
I only started posting at Sedaka about a year ago. All the Knight-related stuff that lead to its inception happened under my radar. I had nothing to do with that then and don't really care about it now. Didn't even really know those issues were still bubbling.
I'll say this much about the suggestion that it should be opened for all to see. The fact that it is not a public board has created a pretty free atmosphere where people are pretty open about a lot of their lives. There are quite a few people there who don't post here at all, and have posted personal things with the understanding that only that group of people would be able to read it. It would be awfully unfair to those people to just open it up for whoever to see at this point.
Some of us who do also post here have also posted some things there that we may not want certain other people here seeing -- not because they necessarily have anything to do with those people, but just because they are private matters and we don't want certain people that we aren't friends with knowing about them.
But they really should stay closed, at least in deference to those over there who really have nothing to do with any of this who may not want their private affairs read by people other than their intended audience.
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Post by Mary on Mar 18, 2007 15:51:33 GMT -5
I'll say this much about the suggestion that it should be opened for all to see. The fact that it is not a public board has created a pretty free atmosphere where people are pretty open about a lot of their lives. There are quite a few people there who don't post here at all, and have posted personal things with the understanding that only that group of people would be able to read it. It would be awfully unfair to those people to just open it up for whoever to see at this point. Of course you're right about this. Forget I said anything about publicizing the boards. I wasn't even thinking about people sharing personal information with their friends on there, I was only thinking about the "bitching" and the perennial defense that there's nothing secretive about the bitching because all the same bitching happens here. Personally I still think that defense is willfully disingenuous but you're right that there are many other reasons to keep those boards private and I totally respect all those reasons. And that's the last thing I have to say about any of this - back to music for me!! Cheers, M |
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Post by strawman on Mar 18, 2007 18:04:41 GMT -5
 somewhere along the line it was decided samples would not enter the kingdom of light. but i'm not crying. it could be worse. i could be rockdoc. samples, when I said the architects sketch...this is more what I had in my mind after reading some posts here..... Mr. Wiggin:
...I see. Well, of course, this is just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. You excrement, you whining hypocritical toadies with your colour TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic secret handshakes. You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a Freemason now if you went down on your lousy stinking knees and begged me.
Client 2:
We're sorry you feel that way, but we did want a block of flats, nice though the abattoir is.
Mr. Wiggin:
Oh sod the abattoir, that's not important.
(He dashes forward and kneels in front of them)
But if any of you could put in a word for me I'd love to be a mason. Masonry opens doors. I'd be very quiet, I was a bit on edge just now but if I were a mason I'd sit at the back and not get in anyone's way.
Client 1:
(politely) Thank you.
Mr. Wiggin:
...I've got a second-hand apron.
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Post by samplestiltskin on Mar 18, 2007 18:27:22 GMT -5
I know, but I've only got one Monty Python moving gif (thanks to IFTM).
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Post by Galactus on Mar 18, 2007 18:34:41 GMT -5
99% of the bitch board goes like this "Man, ______ is really pissing me off today" "Yeah, what a ass/bitch". Pretty much the definition of bitching. The rare occastion of orchestration was always against doc or Chrisfan, which really shouldn't come as any surprise. This idea that we pick people at random to drive them away is very misleading. Some people over there don't post here and still bitch on the bitch board and the reason they don't post here is becuase they don't like people here so yeah that stuff wouldn't have been said over here. I still don't think we're hiding anything...I do hope that nothing was that said hurts anyone's feelings, completely realizing it might. I see nothing disingenuos about that. I know that I have not said anything there I wouldn't say here and I don't want who ever to hold what such and such said against me. Here's what confuses me though, everyone here says "I don't have problem with the sedaka kids, except I hate this..." I have no delusions about the nature of the sedaka board nor do most the people who post there. We know some of things we do would offend some here, that's why we do it there. That's why we want to be able to choose our membership. we have literally not invited someone becuase we're afraid they'll be disappointed in us. Now I'm not sure how if there's no problem with the sedaka board this is still an indictment of that board. There's really nothing more I can do if you think I'm lying.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 18, 2007 18:38:32 GMT -5
I would love more then anything to get JLLM to come back full time. Maybe he can get Riley to post more too.
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 18, 2007 18:39:03 GMT -5
99% of the bitch board goes like this "Man, ______ is really pissing me off today" "Yeah, what a ass/bitch". Pretty much the definition of bitching. The rare occastion of orchestration was always against doc or Chrisfan, which really shouldn't come as any surprise. This idea that we pick people at random to drive them away is very misleading. Some people over there don't post here and still bitch on the bitch board and the reason they don't post here is becuase they don't like people here so yeah that stuff wouldn't have been said over here. I still don't think we're hiding anything...I do hope that nothing was that said hurts anyone's feelings, completely realizing it might. I see nothing disingenuos about that. I know that I have not said anything there I wouldn't say here and I don't want who ever to hold what such and such said against me. Here's what confuses me though, everyone here says "I don't have problem with the sedaka kids, except I hate this..." I have no delusions about the nature of the sedaka board nor do most the people who post there. We know some of things we do would offend some here, that's why we do it there. That's why we want to be able to choose our membership. we have literally not invited someone becuase we're afraid they'll be disappointed in us. Now I'm not sure how if there's no problem with the sedaka board this is still an indictment of that board. There's really nothing more I can do if you think I'm lying. FWIW, I know that DED isn't lying here. In fact, I completely support pretty much everything he's said on this issue, and especially in this post. There really isn't a coordinated "let's fuck with ________" conspiracy over there. And honestly, to the extent that there has been cooperation between some of the Sedaka folks in responding to anyone else's posts, if there were no Sedaka boards, they'd have just done the same thing via PM or email. I think that this whole thing has gotten blown waaaaaay out of proportion. The vast majority of people on both boards are cool. |
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Post by kmc on Mar 18, 2007 18:49:29 GMT -5
Man, I went away for the weekend for St. Paddy's Day. Good times, man. Good times.
Just back in town, and I just caught up with this whole thing. Here's my take. It'll obviously be taken negatively by people with that kind of bias, and that's ok too. This is a web board, and apart from some of you, I don't know anyone here from Joe Blow down the street.
I'm partial to the Sedaka Clique. This has nothing to do with any disdain or hatred of anyone here in particular. It has to do with the fact that some of my favorite posters (Ndy and someone come to mind, but there are many others) post almost exclusively in the Clique, and some of the others who post in both boards (Holzman, DED, Rocky, tuneschick, etc, etc) display entirely new facets of themselves at the private version. So that's where I roll. I like its exclusivity. I like the fact that a group of people thought enough of me to share things they wouldn't share at large. It doesn't make me a snob. There are two separate boards that serve two different functions. It doesn't have to be the focus of any ridiculous conspiracy theories.
These ridiculous theories include, but are not exclusive to:
- The Clique is a vehicle for shin's ego, where everyone waits for marching orders on how to fuck with RocDoc.
- Everyone in the Clique must like everyone else.
- The Clique exists because its members feel slighted by the RS Castaways community at large.
To dispel:
- I have to assume that there are members of the Sedaka Clique who don't like shin, and could give a fuck about whatever beef some of us (read, like 3 or 4 of us) might have with RocDoc. This idea that the entire Clique lives to fuck with him is a projection of his overinflated ego and nothing else. Hell, there are members of the Clique who like RocDoc. thorn admitted it right here. So that's just a silly fantasy.
- The Clique exists because a few of us in the Rolling Stone boards made the leap from discussing music to discussing the personal and becoming, at least in the way that the internet can allow, "friends". As friends, we had a few ways away from prying eyes to discuss things that, frankly, weren't everyone's business. I remember being told (by dolly, like 4 years ago!) that there was this secret "Sex Board" where people went and discussed, uh, sex and all of these other things. I remember being told about the Sedaka Clique boards (by shin, and then dolly) and seeing many of my favorite posters there. I remember seeing some of my then favorite people leave the Sedaka boards because the exclusivity and private jokes weren't their thing. No worries. That's life. But Sedaka doesn't exist to oppose Castaways. It is a bit bigger than that.
- I don't care about RocDoc, and I am an absolute shit to him if he rubs me the wrong way. It's also true that certain members of the Clique have, at times, coordinated ways to fuck with RocDoc. I've done that. Who cares? It is no different than he and Chrisfan coordinating the abuse of left leaning posters in the old and current CE boards (except for Mary, who has always been above reproach due to her ability to not be dragged down in the dirt). It means absolutely nothing. Truth be told, very little time gets spent coordinating or talking shit about RocDoc (especially when you consider the insane number of posts that go through that place). Sometimes though, RocDoc flips out and we all have a good chuckle at it. Whatever. I'm sure many of you have laughed about it too. It doesn't mean anything.
- A bunch of the Castaways are Clique members. If we spent all that time talking shit about Castaways, we would literally be talking shit about ourselves.
I accept that the secretive nature of the boards means that people will believe whatever they want to believe concerning that place. That's everyone's individual prerogative. Who cares, though? There are internet message boards. If the Sedaka thing bothers you, stop thinking about it. I mean, I don't think or bitch about the disgusting people at, say, the Free Republic message boards all of the time. Go outside.
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