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Post by chrisfan on Feb 11, 2008 8:46:54 GMT -5
Man, I love the head games but it's going to suck having such a short season and knowing you're going to be left with even MORE questions. It shouldn't be a shortened season now. Initial reports had said that if the writers strike was settled by Feb, they could get the entire season in. So as long as it's approved by the union tomorrow, we should get the full season. |
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Post by chrisfan on Feb 15, 2008 13:17:41 GMT -5
A new theory just emerged in my mind -- The Oceanic Six are not the six people who got off the island. They are the six survivors of the alternate universe plane crash, where Oceanic 815 went to the bottom of the ocean instead of crashing onto the island. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and two passengers to be named later were on the plane as it crashed into the ocean, somehow escaped the wreckage, and were rescued at sea. They live in a world that is 31 minutes ahead of time on the island.
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Post by Galactus on Feb 15, 2008 14:45:45 GMT -5
So in the regular world the plane crashed in the ocean but on the island the plane crashed 31 minuets later creating a separate island reality? Except that Jack and Hurley have talked about going back to the island, which of course if they'd been rescued at sea they never would've been to. I think the oceanic six just "reappeared" as far as the rest of the world is concerned. Which is why people are freaked out by them. I think Sayid has and the others will eventually realize that Ben is right and everyone has to stay on the island. Sayid is getting rid of the people who know about it. Also I now think the "he" Kate was talking about at the end of season 3 is Ben not Sawyer. Not that she's with Ben in that sense but that she's working for Ben too. Jack and Hurley are still denying it though.
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Post by chrisfan on Feb 15, 2008 14:53:23 GMT -5
Did Hurley and Jack talk about going back to the island, or did they talk about "going back" and we naturally filled in "the island"? There is all sort of evidence being presented right now for the alternate universe theory. You've got two separate Oceanic 815 crashes - one on the island, one in the ocean. For the ocean crash, the pilot died and is the helicopter pilot guy. For the island crash, the pilot was someone completely different, because the helicopter guy was home, and saw a report about the crash on TV. With the helicopter people, they've come from a ship somehwhere not too far away, and time there is 31 minutes off from time on the island.
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Post by shin on Feb 15, 2008 17:31:20 GMT -5
I think Chrisfan is onto something here. Like I said earlier with Desmond, visions of the future are not static in the show; they can be altered, though not entirely changed. That would suggest that while Oceanic 815 has in fact crashed, the nature of where and how it crashed is what changes.
The questions would then become 1) how did Ben get off the island too ("employing Sayid") if they never crashed on the island, and thus never met and 2) how come Frank said that the shown corpse of the pilot was not of the actual pilot?
My original thought on the found wreckage of Oceanic 815 is that it's a fake, designed to get people to stop looking for the actual wreckage. I think the Hanso Foundation is trying to get revenge on Ben for screwing up the Dharma Initiative, and Mr. Abbaddon is the point man, with Elsa as Hanso's assistant. That's who Sayid is killing: Hanso executives.
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Post by shin on Feb 15, 2008 17:33:05 GMT -5
I didn't read the above post, so I guess there's on possible explanation for my second question. I still think there's a possibility the ocean wreckage is fake, designed and planted by Hanso.
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Post by shin on Feb 15, 2008 17:40:57 GMT -5
I'd also like to state that I'm afraid the show might jump the shark this season. Season's 1 & 2 were amazing (esp. 2, considering the difficulties of integrating more "modern" plot elements to what was otherwise a deserted island), season 3 was good from an action perspective but not much else, and now season 4 has just entirely abandoned any attempt to maintain it's island aesthetic. Desmond and Claire have like 3 lines combined so far (normally I'd think that a good thing, since I hate it when Claire opens her god damn mouth, but she's supposed to be a main character on this show). And have we even seen Sun or Jin yet? Isn't she pregnant, and that's a huge plot point?
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Post by KooL on Feb 22, 2008 16:19:25 GMT -5
Just saw the recent Lost episode. So Claire's dead, right? Or perhaps still on the island for whatever reason. Am I the only one who expected it to be Aaron? The scene with Aaron crying and Kate hesitant to hold him was a bit of a give away.
I suppose the person Kate had to return to at the end of Season 3 was the baby, not Sawyer or Ben.
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Post by shin on Feb 22, 2008 17:32:44 GMT -5
I can't even tell you how happy I am now that Claire is "going to die". I'll be counting down the days. No more "HE'S TRYING TO HURT MY BAYBAY" screams! Hurrah!
And did you notice she doesn't seem all that broken up now that Charlie's dead? What a bitch, honestly.
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Post by Ayinger on Feb 22, 2008 22:11:31 GMT -5
Don't think Claire, or any of the remaining survivors of the island, are necessarily dead. Seemed to me that what Jack said in the courtroom about there only being 8 initial survivors from the crash was later debunked by Kate's comment in the parking garage of "you've told that story so much that I think you're begining to believe it".......for whatever reason, they're all covering up that there may be people still on the island who chose to remain there.
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Post by shin on Feb 22, 2008 22:18:50 GMT -5
But would Claire allow her baybay to be taken away from her if she were still on the island? Would she really allow a chance for anyone to hurt her baybay? I'm pretty sure she doesn't give two shits about anything other than her baybay, where she is in relation to her baybay, and whether or not her baybay is currently in danger.
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Post by Ayinger on Feb 23, 2008 12:45:15 GMT -5
But wasn't there something about babies that stayed on the island dying? Meaning that for the child to live, she may have let Kate take it...
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Post by shin on Feb 23, 2008 19:24:22 GMT -5
No, it's the women who get pregnant on the island who die, and thus the children die in childbirth as a result. Women who get pregnant off the island but then come to the island live, and thus the children live, which is why they kidnapped Alex and Aaron...actual children born on the island are a very rare occurrence.
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Post by Ayinger on Feb 23, 2008 21:13:06 GMT -5
Right0!
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Post by chrisfan on Feb 25, 2008 12:08:45 GMT -5
But would Claire allow her baybay to be taken away from her if she were still on the island? Would she really allow a chance for anyone to hurt her baybay? I'm pretty sure she doesn't give two shits about anything other than her baybay, where she is in relation to her baybay, and whether or not her baybay is currently in danger. The writers clearly want us to blieve that Kate's son is Claire's baby, but who says it is? With as much as the show focuses on fate vs coincedence, its entirely possible that Kate's Aaron is another Aaron, and not the Aaron. |
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