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Post by riley on Aug 9, 2004 5:02:11 GMT -5
If my turntable wasn't temporarily packed away, I would be listening to this, even if just once through. RIP.  |
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Post by maarts on Aug 9, 2004 5:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 9, 2004 12:44:50 GMT -5
 This isn't a 'star-vehicle' for Coltrane, more for the pianist Red Garland who is wonderful....but I had this playing here from Saturday morning, on 'repeat' and then listened to it 2 MORE times today....wonderful selections, heavy on the standards...Lush Life done lush-ly...(a 2004 release...someone's still suckin' at Coltrane's tit, eh?)  I honestly do not know what the backstory is on this disc...which AMG's got under 'compilations'....no songs that I've heard before and no review there(at AMG), tho it's very good slickly produced(mostly heavily arranged, w/horns and strings...tho not really in a bad way)vocally quite ambitious contemporary soul music....released this year and 'new' at our library... |
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Post by Mary on Aug 9, 2004 13:55:04 GMT -5
 My first foray into early Tom Waits, actually. ( Swordfishtrombones was the earliest Tom Waits album I owned prior to this one). I love it - not as bizarro as later Tom Waits – just some great sad-sack ballads, a dash of jazz, and the fele of a rainy, late-night alleyway.  This is all Ritalin's fault. Prior to his post about the impossibly brilliant heroin song, Mutiny in Heaven, I never quite appreciated the Birthday Party, thinking they were merely a prelude to Nick Cave's full-blossoming glory in the Bad Seeds. But now every bit of this album sounds utterly singular and inspired. It's soooo raw and ugly, like the backup band at some rat-infested strip club in the darkest junkie haunts of the big city. Deconstructed blues turned into sleazy portraits of decadence, murder, and sin. How can you not love an album that begins with Nick Cave screaming "Hands up! Who wants to die?"  Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Leonard Cohen... yes there's a pattern here. Just sighing eternally in my Leonard Cohen afterlife...   Hope Sandoval's lilting, ethereal voice was the perfect thing late last night while I was reading myself to sleep.  I still can't stop listening to Gloomy Sunday. I'm going to come right out and proclaim Diamanda's cover of this song to be the most dramatic, somber rendering of an old blues song ever. There. I said it. Cheers, M |
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Post by Rit on Aug 9, 2004 14:00:00 GMT -5
sweet if you don't mind me saying so, i'm quite impressed with your tastes there, Mary. and about the Mutiny album, i always felt it was better than Prayers on Fire, and on some days even competed with Junkyard. It's fantastic from top to bottom (though it cheats a little, not being a proper album and all) |
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Post by Mary on Aug 9, 2004 14:07:19 GMT -5
Thanks Ritalin, your music tastes have always struck me as superb as well Yeah, when I get home today, i'm gonna have to pop in my other Birthday Party albums - I think I may be having a full-on Birthday Party revelation here. I've always loved Hamlet (Pow! Pow!) off Junkyard, but now I'm wondering if the rest of the album won't be equally spectacular, in that sleazy psychotic way we all know and love courtesy of the young dope fiend incarnation of Nick Cave. Another one of my favorite lyrical moments from Mutiny/The Bad Seed: Now the killed waits for the killer
And the trees all nod their heads, they are agreed
This knife feels like a knife feels like a knife that feels like it's feed.
Yeah I recognize that girl
I took her from rags right through to stitches (pray for me now)
Oh baby, tonight we sleep in separate ditches.
Goddam. How does Nick Cave sing so many songs about murdering women, and only make me love him more?? Cheers, M |
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Post by Mary on Aug 9, 2004 14:10:09 GMT -5
mainstream everything sucks, for the most part. . How exactly do you define mainstream, Proud? Just curious, cause I've never reallly thought of Green Day as anything but the most mainstream of bands. Same for Stone Temple Pilots, for that matter. I don't think that makes them bad, but then, I don't think mainstream bands necessarily suck. Cheers, M |
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Post by Dr. Drum on Aug 9, 2004 14:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by Thorngrub on Aug 10, 2004 9:23:39 GMT -5
 INTO ETERNITY - Canadian Prog/Metal that will BLOW YOU THE FUCK AWAY, GUARANTEED  NEVERMORE - Quoth ThoRn: "And the Days Of Sucky Music Shall Be Endured...NeverMore!"  MorteM - Peruvian DeathMetal Masters strike with deadly aim and achieve pure lethality on this blackest of unholy releases.  MorteM - "The Devil Speaks In Tongues" - Yet another crushing, cruel, and fluid homage to pummeling, satanic death metal that features something many of that ilk lack: TALENT! *To Be Played Full Blast* SUFFOCATION - Their first release in 10 years, this still needs to grow on me, and I'd wager it isn't nearly as "accessible" as the jawdropping talent expressed by Into Eternity, for instance -- but this yields some horrific and intense brutality, underscored by the billy goat gruff vocals that would surely throw "outsiders" off from it. |
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Post by PC on Aug 10, 2004 13:43:45 GMT -5
NP: Ella Fitzgerald - Cry Me A River
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Post by Proud on Aug 10, 2004 22:28:21 GMT -5
How exactly do you define mainstream, Proud? Just curious, cause I've never reallly thought of Green Day as anything but the most mainstream of bands. Same for Stone Temple Pilots, for that matter. I don't think that makes them bad, but then, I don't think mainstream bands necessarily suck. oh dear. a bit personal... note the "for the most part" statement. |
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Post by Mary on Aug 11, 2004 8:58:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry Proud - I wasn't trying to be personal! I was sort of trying to get at drum's observation by asking those questions - "it's all relative, innit?" I remember right before Green Day first hit it big, I thought owning Dookie and early Rancid and even the Offspring made me part of some music underground. As my own taste in music gets weirder and weirder, stuff I used to consider waaaaay out there and freakish suddenly seems perfectly, utterly, 100% mainstream. But I still like Rancid, for all that.
I guess I can be a little dogmatic about this because I just think people forget that there's a real underground, ya know? Bands like Tragedy, Severed Head of State, His Hero Is Gone - there's a real, close-knit, communal punk rock underground, that scrapes by through sheer D.I.Y. balls and force and will. The entire community in almost every aspect is entirely underground - the zines, the show venues, the record labels, the squats, the total extermity of the music - compared to which it's hard to imagine any of the bands we talk about on here as really being anti-mainstream in any meaningful way. None of these bands will ever be mentioned on MTV, in Rolling Stone, on the radio. That doesn't make them good - most of the time, I'd rather listen to the Who, and what could be more mainstream?! - but it does kinda put the whole mainstream/alternative distinction into a different light, ya know?
Cheers,
M
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Post by Mary on Aug 11, 2004 9:00:40 GMT -5
compared to which it's hard to imagine any of the bands we talk about on here as really being anti-mainstream in any meaningful way erm.... exempting 95% of the death metal bands that thorny is always on about, on second thought  |
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Post by Meursault on Aug 11, 2004 9:05:54 GMT -5
Blonde On Blonde
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Post by Proud on Aug 11, 2004 9:07:07 GMT -5
"I'm sorry Proud - I wasn't trying to be personal!"
certainly not a problem.
"I was sort of trying to get at drum's observation by asking those questions - "it's all relative, innit?" I remember right before Green Day first hit it big, I thought owning Dookie and early Rancid and even the Offspring made me part of some music underground. As my own taste in music gets weirder and weirder, stuff I used to consider waaaaay out there and freakish suddenly seems perfectly, utterly, 100% mainstream. But I still like Rancid, for all that."
haha, i never thought those bands were something underground or what not, myself. pretty much because other people got me into those bands, and i heard them on the radio a bit. looking back on it, i'm not a huge fan of dookie. i love a select few of the songs on it ("basketcase" comes to mind... c'mon, it's hilarious), but some of them are so stupid i want to bang my head into a wall. i'm more of a fan of their later (warning, probably the new album) and earlier (as in their indie days) works rather than the inbetween. as for rancid, they rock, but i think they tried too hard to appeal to mall punks last record. that's just a guess, though. i mean, there's nothing wrong with being poppy and throwing around the f-bomb, as long as there's some sort of meaning or enjoyment attached to it.
"I guess I can be a little dogmatic about this because I just think people forget that there's a real underground, ya know? Bands like Tragedy, Severed Head of State, His Hero Is Gone - there's a real, close-knit, communal punk rock underground, that scrapes by through sheer D.I.Y. balls and force and will. The entire community in almost every aspect is entirely underground - the zines, the show venues, the record labels, the squats, the total extermity of the music - compared to which it's hard to imagine any of the bands we talk about on here as really being anti-mainstream in any meaningful way. None of these bands will ever be mentioned on MTV, in Rolling Stone, on the radio. That doesn't make them good - most of the time, I'd rather listen to the Who, and what could be more mainstream?! - but it does kinda put the whole mainstream/alternative distinction into a different light, ya know?"
sure. to be honest, a lot of the REALLY underground stuff i've heard, i can't stand. a lot of the REALLY mainstream stuff i've heard, i can't stand. i tend to like the stuff that struggles to go gold and platinum the most, the stuff that the mainstream was exposed to but decided it sucks for whatever reason. i also like some of the more successful indie groups (pavement, sunny day real estate). my original point is that music that's made directly to appeal to mainstream audiences, without any sort of heart or meaning, blows. actually, some of that stuff has meaning, but it's the same old cliched b.s. linkin park can sing about the "pain they're going through" and dashboard confessional can whine about the 20th time the singer's been dumped in the last half a month, but they still suck. probably because that meaning itself is manufactured.
sorry for rambling.
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