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Post by RocDoc on Jul 30, 2012 20:24:17 GMT -5
What are you talking about, what would I have done?? And what is with your fucking attitude? Are you always this contentious in real life? i asked 'what you would have done' in response to what i presumed to be your main objection, the eagles' corporatization after say, their first 2 albums which were not (yet) in any way the overslick 'oversung' pieces of shit, which you just implied everything they ever did, uneqivocally was. i was asking what did YOU think actually happens when someone falls into a situation where they become successful beyond anyone's dreams - and what YOU then would do to preserve your 'art'? that's what i was asking, honestly, w/o ANY thought that i was being 'confrontational' with you. i asked because (at THAT point at least) i thought you might be open-minded enough to understand that there was a HUGE part of the eagles timeline BEFORE the hey day of coke and qualudes...and that there sure as fuck was a time when they were just unsigned guys trying to make music when they certainly were NOT yet falling into all the kneejerk ('50 reasons the eagles must suck') cliches you just enumerated ^ there. i just read 2 books - the questions WERE addressed there by everyone who came out of that troubador/laurel canyon environment...especially after they saw the drugs and the enforced egotism which success breeds, drag down so many of those formerly nice normal people. i was trying to ask that on a human level: ie so DO you then sabotage all chances at 'success' to remain true to some 'honest' image you imagine for yourself? while geffen and azoff are reeling you in, with money, women and platinum record sales? joni mitchell analyzed how her artistic and material success, by its very nature, changed her subject matter and how she related to her music...and how THAT disappointed fans' expectations - things which then (if you really attune to those fans) are going to be a natural progression away from the 'pure' work you began doing - and then the 'sellout' whispers come. ~ and i DO understand there's lots of music i love which many folks won't ever get...but yeah, the way you put it there, implying an impossibility to finding ANYthing to like by the eagles was to ME an affront in itself, but i know that that's just you being you, mister pro musico and all that. but i ve also (and this argument's been made before) been AT the inception, at the public unveilings, of lots of different types of music of that period (some of it popular, some not) where nothing of that sort had been created before - then-faceless people suddenly popping up on the radio. meaning having experienced it before much of it had been played to death, before everyone NOW sees as elementary paint-by-numbers simply because now everyone can play that shit in their sleep, and for that reason they think the world begins ONLY with what they hear now in the present day, dismissing everything else, wrongly. so i tried earnestly to explain to you WHY at that time and place the first couple of eagles discs could be seen to be 'special' by someone in my age group - so fuck me for trying. YOU are the one reading far too much into what you've forever believed to be the tone i 'always' take. |
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Post by skvorecky on Jul 31, 2012 9:01:23 GMT -5
1. I don't like the Eagles, I don't care what era you're referring to. I'm not a fan. It has nothing to do with some sort of ridiculous notion of "authenticity". It honestly comes down to the fact that their music is insufferably boring to me. Do I think Don Henley is a good drummer? Sure. Do I think Glenn Fry has a decent voice? You bet. Joe Walsh is a great guitar player but I prefer his James Gang and early solo records. However, as a whole, they do nothing for me. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
2. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding drugs. I've always been a fan of the Bill Hicks mode of thinking: Don't like drugs? You better throw out all of your albums because I have news for you: Those records you like? Yeah, those guys were real fucking high on drugs. Whatever, it's their lives. I really don't care. Do I dislike drug culture on the other hand? Absolutely. Do I disdain hearing about the perils of "wine, women, and song" from the period? You bet. I guess I'm a stronger person. Dangling all of that shit in front of me would do absolutely nothing and I'm so glad that era of music is over and done with. That's one thing that we can thank illegal downloading for: getting goons like David Geffen out of the music industry. Fuck those people. And they don't even care about music nor did they really ever.
3. Dude, stop being such a big baby. I like a lot of lot stuff and it's not to be "cool". And dude, I'm not going to be made to feel like an asshole because I don't like the Eagles. It's subjective and a matter of taste and there isn't a wrong or right to it. Stop getting unhinged over nothing, jeez, dude. It's just a band. A band that I happen to think are fucking terrible. So what. What if, what if, what if. What if a frog bumped it's ass when it landed after growing wings? Sorry, I don't really deal well and care about what if questions.
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Post by skvorecky on Jul 31, 2012 9:06:02 GMT -5
Despite the above's closeness to "Fade into You", I still really love the song. Great album, too.
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Post by skvorecky on Jul 31, 2012 14:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 1, 2012 7:59:47 GMT -5
And dude, I'm not going to be made to feel like an asshole because I don't like the Eagles. see THIS is where you're confusing this whole thing for yourself. i am NOT trying to MAKE you like the eagles (duh, no fucking shit) - i do not give a fuck WHO it is you think you need to slough off. BUT i'm trying to give you a different perspective on a band that existed before you were even born and who i WAS around for - if THAT's where you think you're being made to feel like an asshole (which your reaction sure seems to bear out IS the case), then ok, bam, you're on it. i was just trying to make (what to me was) a simple point i thought. 1. I don't like the Eagles, I don't care what era you're referring to. I'm not a fan. It has nothing to do with some sort of ridiculous notion of "authenticity". It honestly comes down to the fact that their music is insufferably boring to me. my description of being there, alive when these songs were being made public for the first time ever, before they became standard in the mel bay books, was to illustrate that for a LOT of 15 year olds, hearing 'already gone' a month after it was created in some l.a. studio WAS pretty fucking cool. and that (and after now reading a couple of books regarding that milieu) DOES give me a different appreciation than someone, like i said, as it regards something/anything which they can NOW easily play, as a boringly pedestrian concept. i've read born-after-the-fact people slag off hendrix for the same reasons - many having zero idea of hendrix' impact and proficency at THAT time (nor do they CARE to know) and can just say 'fuck, anyone can play THAT' and then proceed tell me 'fuck you dude, you don't know shit'...and yes, i DO get that the eagles are not hendrix, but there's easily a line of logic connecting peoples' concepts there. someone telling me 'hendrix ain't shit' though? THAT's where i understand these people are ill-read self-oriented boobs without a shred of ability(or imagination) to place themselves for a second in any other another time or place. unempathetic to the nth. (which is what your 'i don't fucking DO what-ifs! they're stupid!' recalls as well, sorry. in fact it makes me feel sorry FOR you.) all that i hoped to expect was an assenting 'yeah i get that. it musta been pretty cool - and musta seemed different then than what i feel now'...i'm just tryin to get THAT inch and you totally don't want to. cool. then stay skvor, skvor. by all means. |
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 1, 2012 8:29:36 GMT -5
I don't need a history lesson on a band that I don't like. I understand context and all of that. I've run into this with my sister regarding Nirvana. I like it, she doesn't, boom badda bing, done. It's one of those things that either you appreciate it or you dont. I know the history concerning the Eagles and I'm telling you, it still doesn't make me appreciate the band. Big effing deal. I know plenty about the country rock scene and like I said, I find the Eagles to be the lowest common denominator out of that scene. Again, who cares. I love the Byrds, I love the Flying Burrito Brothers, I love New Riders of the Purple Sage, love the Grateful Dead, love Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Band, The Allmann Brothers, a shit ton of bands from that era. Just don't like the Eagles. It's just my opinion. Take it or leave it. It's obvious you're left it and don't like it. Leave it at that.  |
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 2, 2012 8:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2012 8:33:56 GMT -5
Just don't like the Eagles. It's just my opinion. Take it or leave it. It's obvious you're left it and don't like it. Leave it at that.
i really truly don't give a shit that you don't like the eagles.
i DIDN'T particularly care for the disdain your initial reaction heaped on anyone finding 'good' with them however...and i tried to tell you why I felt that i personally didn't deserve that.
and that there would be room for minimal discussion at the very least.
but i did think i was dealing with a deeper person, my mistake.
so all you want here is a poll, no discussion, nothing fleshed out, 'don't even THINK to ask a question about my sister, nothin''.
fine, whatever - REALLY makes me want to engage, y'know?
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so why are the holograms mocking people with speech impediments?
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 2, 2012 8:45:42 GMT -5
You're incredibly bored these days aren't you?
If you don't give a shit, why do you keep bringing it up like a jilted stalker?
I haven't appreciated your disdain for most of the stuff I've posted but if you don't like it, you don't like it. If you're going to be a peanut gallery and make snarky comments you should be able to deal with the opposing peanut gallery's point of view when it throws popcorn and says "what complete shit". Deal.
I'll talk about anything else you want. I would personally rather watch the grass grow than discuss the motherfucking Eagles. So. The Eagles were really important to you. Awesome. Great. They weren't important to me. So I should throw my own personal feelings out in order to validate whatever feelings you have the Eagles? Please. Come on. I get it. The Eagles are one of your favorite bands. Duly noted.
What makes you think the Holograms are mocking people with speech impediments? They are a foreign band and I'm not sure English is their primary language. They have thick accents. By this line of stupid questioning I could ask you why do you hate foreigners. Dude, come on. Why must you be so contentious about everything. Why?
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 2, 2012 10:23:39 GMT -5
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 2, 2012 11:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2012 12:24:33 GMT -5
c'mon skv, you called me a 'big baby', but buddy, YOu're the one. you've got my one tonal stereotype SO preconcievedly drilled into your fucking head, that you can't even see what i'm writing. wtf is this, you're here refusing/unable to comprehend, that no, the eagles certainly are NOT my favorite band - i said that i liked them back when, and that also LIVE, early on in their time, they actually DO entertain me. like you agreed, there were some good musicians in the band. 'live' to me is always the proof. the seattle '76 show i listened to was very well-executed and enjoyable. 7 bridges road was great. but favorites, no...AND i'll also agree that lowest common denominator is prob a fair assessment, of what it took at THAT time in music history to top the charts. i'm not championing the fucking eagles. LOTS of bands were encouraged at that approach for broader appeal/airplay and you know that. 'knock all those sharp edges off, ok?!' i read felder's and hoskyn's books; enjoyed them. i liked the guys' stories and character for the most part - i was TRYING to bring out that. but you just plain ain't havin' it. i mean fuck ya, but that's what i think i tried. yeah i MUST be bored. ~ and my questioning of the musical approaches of a couple of the youtube clips of yours was disdainful in the very broad manner in which you were here, putting it THIS way? I don't know how anyone can listen to the Eagles and actually enjoy it. It's baffling. and i did NOT take it as a slam at me, no. but i wanted to tell you that, 'no, HERE's how i'm fucking enjoying it. HERE, be fucking UNbaffled dude. voila!' and you're the 'fuck you doc don' wanna hear it. whatevertf you've got to say, phfffft.' imagine for once that i'm NOT here preaching at you like you forced yourself to believe over the years of arguing with one another here. and me getting ganged-up on by a distinct shitload of OTHER assholes...i am NOT trying to show anyone up here. imagine that i'm JUST fucking taaaaalking, eh? goddamn. |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2012 12:46:52 GMT -5
They are a foreign band and I'm not sure English is their primary language. They have thick accents. By this line of stupid questioning I could ask you why do you hate foreigners.
no.
they recorded in amsterdam so likely they're dutch.
i 'winky'd' the comment i made on them, so signalling, yeah i WAS kidding, but there ya go.
i first thought they were americans just continually bellowing nonsense, something sounding like 'best boys best boys best boys' - just sounded spazzy and/or seriously impaired to me, plus that echo chamber, ai. goofy shit in any language.
i don't think it begs for a translation.
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Post by skvorecky on Aug 2, 2012 13:43:09 GMT -5
Cute.  First new Sebadoh material in 14 years! It's damn good, too. |
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Post by RocDoc on Aug 2, 2012 14:21:05 GMT -5
yumph, you bet... finally a chance for music!  a great band that years ago got mentioned by maarts or kat which i then searched out. 3.0 out of 5 stars
energising listening!,
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By N. Darwen (Manchester, England) (REAL NAME)
This review is from: Stand Up (Audio CD)
This is a fine, eclectic set from this militant, multi-cultural Australian outfit. The label name, and indeed the CD title, might suggest reggae, and that is certainly the case for about half of the 10 titles. It is, however, a tough, slightly rock-inflected roots reggae, far more Black Uhuru at their hardest than Bob Marley, despite the vocals of front-woman Natalie Pa'apa'a' and the backing singers sometimes recalling the female-led band of the 80s, though I doubt that the likes of Bananarama, Katrina And The Waves, or even Blondie would have sung some of the lyrics on offer here! Elsewhere there are African influences on the (sometimes thundering) drumming and guitar work, Latin inflections, and even some indie-punk. The whole does hang together coherently, and makes for an exhilarating, energising listen. |
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