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Post by tuneschick on Oct 25, 2005 13:41:57 GMT -5
Er... to be honest, my order is exactly the same as wayved's. I feel so unoriginal.
Echo and the Bunnymen - love 'em. Not even a question that they'd be my top choice of these five. And the fact that they're still putting stuff out and I'm still digging it means something to me.
Smiths would be my second choice - for all the reasons already mentioned. I like 'em... but I've just never LOVED them. So though I agree with Mary that they were far more "defining" than Echo, they have to settle for second.
Embarrassingly, I own very little from the other three. The Cure gets #3, mostly because Staring at the Sea is such a fucking great singles collection. New Order is next... and then Depeche Mode, who I just never got into at all.
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Post by maarts on Oct 25, 2005 16:37:35 GMT -5
Why should you own something that you don't like? It's not embarrassing at all!
Did you have a listen to the new Echo-album, tunes? Heartily recommended!
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Post by Rit on Oct 26, 2005 11:49:21 GMT -5
i have a suggestion to make on the New Order angle.
i prefer to see the whole career of Joy Division from about 1978 onwards as ending in 1982, with the release of New Order's Power Corruption Lies album. the continuity line between Here Are The Young Men EP (1978) and PC & L (1982) is really the story of one band, who just happened to have lost their singer halfway along. Seeing the Movement album as 'Joy Division part II' is easy enough, and PC&L is the final statement from that very same band of Manchester youths, finally having come to terms with personal tragedy and the intrusion of the real world into their insular clique.
After the PCL album, New Order (i contend) became something else, a pop band, New Order as everyone else knows them.
But right up to Power Corruption Lies, New Order was still the direct aftermath of the Joy Division story, reflecting themes and associations that you can't dissociate from Joy Division.. This is why ambiguity surrounds the career of New Order, where you get some people that like the early New Order but not the later New Order, and see the two parts as separate things, and why a band like Bloc Party can claim to be very New Order influenced and yet sound nothing like much of New Order's recorded output... like, what gives?
it'd be easier to rearrange your view of them.
with that in mind, i crafted a sample compilation: Joy Division, the extended and complete story, charting their evolution from austere post-punk to, well, austere dance punk!
***
Tracklisting (8 songs from JD and 8 songs from NO):
1. Warsaw
2. Shadowplay
3. Transmission
4. Love Will Tear Us Apart
5. Isolation
6. Dead Souls
7. The Only Mistake
8. Atmosphere
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9. Ceremony
10. Procession
11. The Him
12. Denial
13. Chosen Time
14. Everything's Gone Green
15. Temptation (1982 version)
16. Blue Monday
***
the musical line is unbroken, each song furthers the step along to a dance punk sound.. also, merely one look at the titles reveals that the 2 bands are of a piece, with New Order up to 1982 reacting and dealing wth their past in a kind of laboured mourning period.
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Oct 26, 2005 13:09:39 GMT -5
Nice Rit, nice. Though "Doubts Even Here" is a strong candidate for inclusion. P.S. Stop talking up "The Caterpillar". It's cack, and we all know it  |
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Oct 26, 2005 13:17:48 GMT -5
Shit Cure albums:
The Walk Mini-LP
Japanese Whispers
The Top
Wild Mood Swings
Average Cure albums:
Three Imaginary Boys
Faith
Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
Wish
Bloodflowers
The Cure
Good Cure albums:
Boys Don't Cry
Seventeen Seconds
Head on the Door
Great Cure albums:
Pornography
Disintegration
All those in the 'average' section contain some killer songs though, and their 'best of' output is incredible. But it does illustrate the point about lack of quality control.
You can do the same exercise with New Order and (as Ken says) you're left with less great songs, but also far less crappy stuff as well.
It's simpler to vote Smiths and forget Ken's DQ-on-a-technicality. Bloody lawyers.
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Post by melon1 on Oct 26, 2005 14:33:10 GMT -5
The vast infatuation with The Smiths is as bewildering to me as it is with The Clash. I can only hear about three Smiths songs in a row before Morrissey starts grating on my nerves. "The Boy With the Thorn In His Side", "William, It Was Really Nothing,"This Charming Man" and "I Know It's Over" are my faves though. My vote went to The Cure. No contest for me.
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Post by luke on Oct 26, 2005 14:38:11 GMT -5
Hey guys...wanna see something dirty? And I mean...really, really, really dirty? Turn back now if you don't...and don't say I didn't warn you.  |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Oct 26, 2005 15:05:52 GMT -5
That is awful!!!
Jesus, I have to disagree with that list for the Cure, man.
Great Cure Records:
Distentigration
Pornography
Faith
Head On The Door
Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
Average Cure Records
The Cure
Wish
Japanese Whispers
So So:
Seveteen Seconds
Mixed Up
Awful:
Bloodflowers
Wild Mood Swings
The Top
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Oct 26, 2005 15:06:24 GMT -5
Actually not disagree that much.....eh.
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Post by maarts on Oct 26, 2005 16:06:32 GMT -5
I actually disagree...a bit.
Great Cure-albums
Seventeen Seconds
Disintegration
Faith
Good Cure-albums
Pornography
Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
Head On The Door
Japanese Whispers/Three Imaginary Boys
Average Cure-albums
Wish
The Cure
The Top (love Shake Dog Shake, the live-versh on Concert's even better!)
Baaaaaaad Cure-albums
Mixed Up
Wild Mood Swings
Totally agree on the singles-collections to be very good but even better were the tape-versions of Staring At The Sea (and Concert), with all these added bonustracks and B-Sides- many of them were as strong as the singles they supported.
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Post by Rit on Oct 26, 2005 19:40:38 GMT -5
yikes. what's up with The Nookie wearing a Smiths T?
it's ethically wrong.
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Post by Rit on Oct 26, 2005 19:41:17 GMT -5
oh.. i get it. he was only wearing it to impress Paris. show her he's the sensitive type. as you can see by the look on her face, she bought it.
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Oct 27, 2005 5:46:43 GMT -5
I feel better now we've rationalised it as a cheap means of getting a shag, rather than any genuine appreciation!
Maarts - agree on those old cassettes. About the only tapes I've kept hold of (apart from some early Rosetta Stone (UK) demos) are the Cure's double-headers:
the singles/B-sides one,
the Concert/Curiosities one,
Faith/Carnage Visors.
There's some interesting stuff there, much of it better than anything on The Top, for example.
I also liked the orange vinyl LP free with Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me (especially "Chain of Flowers"), but I gather that stuff is now on the box set at least.
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Post by Mary on Oct 27, 2005 10:41:56 GMT -5
OK that picture of Fred Durst in a Smiths t-shrit would have freaked me out a lot more if I wasn't even MORE freaked out by the fact that the dude BEHIND Fred and Paris (yes, I'm on a first name basis) looks exactly - I mean fucking spot-on exactly - like the guy who runs pub quiz at the Albatross in Berkeley. I mean he wears that stupid bloody hat and shirt every fucking Sunday and that's his body type and I can't quite make out the face but it looks an awful lot like his face.
I'm officially completey weirded out. Where was that picture taken?!
M
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Post by luke on Oct 27, 2005 11:02:24 GMT -5
From what I gather, it was taken at the Kill Bill Vol. 2 premiere. There's also a pic of him floating around in a Sonic Youth shirt, and he has some blog where he talks about listening to Joy Division and My Bloody Valentine.
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