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Post by phil on Feb 8, 2006 13:19:32 GMT -5
Ho ! And the last time the Stones did "Gimme Me Shelter" in concert,
Mick did change the words somewhat and he was heard singing Gimme Tax Shelter ...
Ta... Ta... Ta... Tax shelter !!
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Post by frag on Feb 8, 2006 21:00:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the latest US tour was advertised heavily through Monday Night Football...even think they showed clips from shows the week prior. And "Rough Justice" was the theme built around that. Add to that, "Start Me Up" has become the testosterone-laden-sporting-event-anthem that "We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions" was/is. My opinion of all songs mentioned is that they are just that. Anthemic bullshit that a bunch of beer-guzzling sweaty fat asses love to listen to before a game.
They could've done any other song than "Satisfaction," I suppose. But what artist, now, is willing to be mired in any more controversies surrounding the super bowl half time. Their most widely known song is a safe bet, at the very least.
Here's what I don't understand about the whole debacle of a couple years back...when the argument was that Jackson's tit threatened to tear down the family value represented by the event. How does football, the super bowl, or any sporting event for that matter, really offer family value? I don't know, I'm ranting. And I really don't like sports...especially football. So that means I'm a pussy. And that sucks.
They shoulda played "Let it Bleed," goddammit. I've never thought "Satisfaction" was all that great.
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Post by JACkory on Feb 9, 2006 21:26:33 GMT -5
So what if, instead of "Start Me Up", they'd played "Jumping Jack Flash'" or "You Can't Always Get What You Want" or "Gimme Shelter" Naahhh ! Those songs were not acceptable either. Because in the ears of the NFL censors ... "Jumping Jack Flash" is clearly about some coked-up exhibitionist ... "You Can't Always Get What You Want" is definitely anti-Bush... "Gimme Me Shelter" is a communist protest song for the homeless ... Can't have none of that !! So, Phil, is it safe to assume that you have no problem whatsoever with an expression like "you make a dead man come" being broadcast on a game that is being watched by children of all ages? Surely not... |
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Post by Galactus on Feb 9, 2006 21:58:24 GMT -5
Seeing as it's been played daily on commercial radio for thirty years uncensored, then, no I have no problem with them saying it at the superbowl.
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Post by Galactus on Feb 9, 2006 22:01:22 GMT -5
Had it been the Who I would've even expected "who the fuck are you!'...
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Post by strat-0 on Feb 9, 2006 23:11:38 GMT -5
I'm with Jac about "you make a dead man come" on the Superbowl halftime show. But with the Who saying "Who the fuck are you," the coarse word is simply an adjective. Which would you rather explain to your kid? Of course, if they ask what "fuck" means then you're up against it again. Anyway, after the "wardrobe malfunction," you know nothing is going to go out on the Superbowl without being seen first.
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Post by phil on Feb 9, 2006 23:20:52 GMT -5
So, Phil, is it safe to assume that you have no problem whatsoever with an expression like "you make a dead man come" being broadcast on a game that is being watched by children of all ages?
Surely not...HÉ! What is so terrible about that expression ... ?? Children aged under 8 shouldn't know what the hell the old geezer was singing about anyway and children over 12 probably know all too well already ... Children of all ages see Rap on TV everyday now ... Besides, I was joking back there ... Next year, they should put Toby Keith in the SB half time show ... 
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Post by phil on Feb 9, 2006 23:29:15 GMT -5
Or Hilary Duff or anyBODY who'll be the Flavor of the Month at that moment ...
BTW, the NFL did invite the Rolling Stones, not the Bee Gees or Abba !!
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Post by phil on Feb 9, 2006 23:36:04 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful,
that it's going to send the listener to the lake of fire upon hearing it.
(Frank Zappa)
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Post by tuneschick on Feb 10, 2006 9:18:33 GMT -5
Seeing as it's been played daily on commercial radio for thirty years uncensored, then, no I have no problem with them saying it at the superbowl. My thoughts too. I can't imagine young kids sitting there and hanging on Mick's every garbled word to begin with... especially not enough to pick out one word and want to know what it means. But it's a politcally correct world we live in... ho hum. |
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Post by luke on Feb 10, 2006 9:36:02 GMT -5
I think it's pretty fuckin' classy that the Stones are playing Jazzfest this year. That's some serious money they're going to bring into N.O. And Jazzfest tickets are less than half the cost of your typical Stones ticket.
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Post by melon1 on Feb 10, 2006 10:54:34 GMT -5
JAC's argument here vs. Mantis and Phil's argument is proof once again of two completely opposite perspectives of viewing the world. Now, before you go take your mind off on that trail of "here goes his 'the world in black and white' rambling again", consider this:
After JAC lucidly pointed out that children's ears were being exposed to sick language that children shouldn't have to hear at their age and especially shouldn't have to have it explained to them, Mantis responds by saying:
Seeing as it's been played daily on commercial radio for thirty years uncensored, then, no I have no problem with them saying it at the superbowl.
Then Phil says:
Children of all ages see Rap on TV everyday now
Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" argument. The problem with this (and I'll try not to be too critical here to the point of getting hostile) is it makes it plain that one "bold" step against what I would call decency standards and what you would most likely call "censorship" leads to another and to another and to another until there is no decency left. Now, that being said, I realize the tendency toward fascism when taking this view with an over-fearful and anal-retentive(if you will) mindset. But obviously futile thinking such as "kids over 12 already know so we should just give up on keeping things clean for them" has to be thrown out altogether or the argument itself becomes futile. At that point, the conversation has reached the point of detestible and arguing my side would be called "throwing pearls before swine". But any clear-thinking individual would have to admit that a line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Very well then, we need some standard of decency before we sink to the point that we start asking foolish questions like,"What is decency anyway?" Thirty-something years ago, they decided it was OK to play "you make a dead man come" on the radio (for the record it doesn't bother me when they play "Money" by Pink Floyd in it's entirety on the radio for the simple fact that there is quite some difference between a word that means feces and words that speak of sex in a derogatory manner. However, if an older, wiser man corrected me saying he believed that was wrong too, I might be inclined to believe it). But I would bet, and I could possibly lose this bet, that even 25 years later, 5 years ago, they wouldn't have allowed this at the Superbowl.
What I'm trying to do here is point out the obvious to those who still might not see it, or if they do see it, won't admit to it. There IS a downward spiral our society is riding on. I point it out from time to time and get accused myself of being delusional. So here's an illustration to clarify things.
You put a frog in very hot water and it jumps out immediately. You put a frog in lukewarm water and heat the water up slowly until it reaches boiling point and the frog sits there and boils to death.
Do you see a correlation between that and our current trend of continual acceptance of one obscenity after another? If not, I'll be praying for you.
Finally, if this wasn't a well-crafted argument, lemme know where I went wrong. Thanks.
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Post by phil on Feb 10, 2006 11:05:25 GMT -5
First ... There was no "argument - right or wrong" - here ...
only a statement of fact from my part ...
Second ... There is no second !! Much ado about nothing IMO
Go back and read that Zappa quote carefully !!
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Post by phil on Feb 10, 2006 11:09:19 GMT -5
Here's another one ...
There are more love songs than anything else.
If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another.
(Frank Zappa)
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Post by phil on Feb 10, 2006 11:15:32 GMT -5
BTW, I'm much more worried about children
being subjected to graphic depictions of violence on TV ...
Now THAT is an "argument" ...
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