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Post by Paul on Jan 17, 2006 13:57:01 GMT -5
That's a pretty good mix, exept for "I'll Be Your Mirror", never have liked that one....my favorite from that mix is "What Goes On", I love the jam at the end.
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Post by luke on Jan 17, 2006 14:29:27 GMT -5
There's too much art and information coming from thousands of different outlets for a single band to come out on top of things. How different would the 60s have been muscially if there were iPods and Soulseek and e-Zines and satellite radio and iTunes and allmusic and blogs and hundreds of different television stations? Would the Beatles ever have been as big? Would thousands of other bands have broke through, scattering rock fans into hundreds of different camps as they are today? Would the Velvet Underground be headlining some hipster Woodstock?
There's just too much going on right now for another White Album or, fuck, another Thriller to break through and unify the ears of everyone. It is impossible.
Yes, there are other reasons it's impossible, like what Ken said about no one wanting to be an icon and nobody taking that kind of shit seriously. That's certainly true.
I don't buy that no innovation is going on in rock. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that there are more quality bands and artists out there than ever before, being that, thanks to technology, music is bigger than it ever was before and there are a lot more people working at it. But it's impossible for that "one band" to be singled out, because there is just too much shit going on.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:02:16 GMT -5
"So that's my buck-fifty worth of thoughts on this."
It was clearly $2.75, Holzman
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Post by melon1 on Jan 17, 2006 15:07:33 GMT -5
Remember Dana Carvey's impersonation of McClaughlin? Well, here goes:
Issue one: What is the greatest album of all time?
Mantis?
I'd choose Pet Sounds
WRONG!!!
shin?
The White Album
WRONG!!!
Ken?
The Velvet Underground and Nico is the Greatest Album in Rock and Roll
WRONG!!!
thoRns?
its DUMB to try and single out one greatest album
WRONG!!!
pcook?
Choosing a best album of all time is damn near impossible.
WRONG!!!
The Dark Side Of The Moon is head and shoulders, a million miles, fifty galaxies BETTER than any album yet listed. The ultimate concept album. How many hundreds of weeks on the charts? Two sides in which one song becomes part of the next song which becomes part of the next song. Two really long songs, if you ask me, with different parts. More emotion, passion, immaculate ecstasy than any album ever, bar none. Absolute superior pure 100% GENIUS. If you don't get it, you're simply wrong.
NEXT ISSUE!!!
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:14:03 GMT -5
Luke makes very good points, as does Holzman and, well, nearly everyone on here! *eyes Rit suspiciously* ... well, here's a narrowed-down, more intelligible list of my candidates, sans explanation:
ABBEY ROAD, the Beatles
DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the Pink Floyd
THE WALL, the Pink Floyd
OK COMPUTER, Radiohead
LATERALUS, Tool
RUMOURS, Fleetwood Mac
DIRT, Alice In Chains
BAT OUT OF HELL, Meatloaf
THRILLER, Michael Jackson
LED ZEPPELIN IV, Led Zeppelin
Now, as for Top Sellers, Led Zeppelin IV, Pink Floyd's The Wall, and Michael Jackson's Thriller are the only 3 studio albums that have thus far sold over 20 million units.
And off the top of my head, the longest charting Top 3 would arguably be Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon, Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, and Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell.
So there are 6 pretty decent candidates for best album . . . except the only criteria here are Sales and Time on the Charts.
All we need now is to throw in, say 3 examples of "immaculately cultivated" sonic recordings insofar as the perspective of engineering goes. You know, shit like "Abbey Road" by the Beatles. Maybe if one of you learned geeks could contribute a couple more bonafide, accepted works of studio-wizardry, we could hammer out a more definitive "Top 20" albums to narrow this down to.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:14:56 GMT -5
*whispers aside to Melon*: go get em, boy
I have NO PROBLEM giving it to DSOTM.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:16:12 GMT -5
...all factors taken into consideration, that is.  |
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Post by Galactus on Jan 17, 2006 15:17:10 GMT -5
Again, DSOTM suffers from Sgt. Pepper syndrome...it isn't even the best Pink Floyd album. IMO anyway...from an objective POV. It's a winner.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:17:58 GMT -5
*psst*, could you kindly, er, reiterate just wtf "Sgt Pepper syndrome" is, or at least link me to it? thanx
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:21:31 GMT -5
A lot of people would say the same thing about The Wall . . . (that it ain't there best); but clearly, the IMPACT that album has made is off the freakin charts. R. Waters himself thinks its the best Floyd album. Surely his own ego contributes towards this observation, but can ya blame the man for thinking it?
thoRn's "Best Floyd Albums":
~Meddle
~Dark Side Of The Moon
~Wish You Were Here
~Animals
~The Wall
~The Final Cut
Clearly, Floyd is a Prime Contender for consideration in this esteemed competition. Yet how is one to narrow down which album deserves it? Due to sales? Time on the charts? Overall impact with our culture?
Since "listenability factor" is by definition a matter of personal taste, you can't really factor that in, can you? Who's to say?
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Post by Galactus on Jan 17, 2006 15:22:46 GMT -5
Sgt. Pepper syndrome is when people claim that an album which isn't even the best album by that particular artist to be the best of all time. You see if it's not the best Pink Floyd album how can it be the best album ever? Now I'm really gonna blow your mind. DSOTM does qualify for Greatest status on more standards then WYWH, the actual best Pink Floyd album.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 17, 2006 15:26:09 GMT -5
Consider how many THIRD WORLD peoples are familiar with the Album In Consideration:
Floyd's DSOTM vs Radiohead's OKC,
I can tell you right now that irregardless of any "expert"s personal opinion,
DSOTM has OKC beat right into the fuckin dirt on this factor alone.
There are WAAAAAAY more Third World Kids familiar with DSOTM than w/OKC;
given Dark Side's marathon Chart Run and Sales . . . . and the fact OKC hasn't made it to the 10-million sales mark, all I'm saying is it may be too early in history to determine if Radiohead's classic album can be fairly included against such already-proven heavyweight competition.
That observation alone should irrefutably knock OKC out of the competition.
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Post by Galactus on Jan 17, 2006 15:27:35 GMT -5
Since "listenability factor" is by definition a matter of personal taste, you can't really factor that in, can you? Who's to say? Well, yes and no. You can't completely disquallify your own tastes but you can attempt to eliminate it as much as possible for the conversation...it is a factor. Commercialism, while not being a sign of quality in all cases is still a factor. That being said, The Wall is one of the most overrated over indulgent wastes of time ever to appear on a shelf and since PF has an album that handley beats it for our purposes we shall speak of it no more. |
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Post by phil on Jan 17, 2006 15:31:34 GMT -5
Anybody who was walking without a diaper the summer Sgt. Pepper's ... got released and witnessed the profound effect that album got on everybody throughout the world would have no problem arguing this could be the single most important piece of music ever created at that moment and still a contender ...  |
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Post by Paul on Jan 17, 2006 15:33:39 GMT -5
I doubt anyone hear has given the following proper listens, but IMHO they should be up for consideration....  and  Easily two of the most overlooked masterpieces of all time. If y'all give these albums a chance, you'll see what I'm saying. Words can't describe how good Arthur is. It's a brilliant story, it's brit pop at it's finest, it's Ray Davies at his best writing (IMO), it's very relevant today (both lyrics and music), it's highly influential, it's one of the most complete concept albums ever recorded, it's fun, it's sad, and it flat out rocks. |
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