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Post by rockysigman on Oct 27, 2006 11:12:13 GMT -5
I still think that, though Limp Bizkit may have been the premier commercial name at the peak of Nu Metal's popularity, their importance is negligible. There is a certain segment of metal heads out there who will like anything that is loud and distorted, and that was the core of Limp Bizkit's audience. It just so happened that they came along at a time when metal was gaining popularity again, but there is nothing about them that made them "important" other than being in the right place at the right time. Any shitty band could have filled that role in the movement, it just happened to have been them. I guess you could call that important, but I just can't.
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Post by luke on Oct 27, 2006 11:12:56 GMT -5
LB was extremely important. They sucked balls, but you can't say that just had 15 minutes and faded away. They transformed the entire landscape. You can "go back to RHCP and the Beastie Boys and Anthrax/PE and Run D.M.C./Aerosmith" or whatever, but that really doesn't have anything to do with it. It was the movement and the cultural influence, not the music.
Limp Bizkit literally threw Staind into the spotlight, and that whiny garbage is still everywhere. Fred Durst is out there as we speak signing more annoying bands like She Wants Revenge. Kid Rock is still all over the goddamn place, and there's a guy that owes his fame 100% to Limp Bizkit and Eminem.
Limp Bizkit, even though they have about three fans left, still opened the door for macho cock rock bullshit to finally break out from under the constraints of the sensitive guy grunge attitude.
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 11:21:14 GMT -5
That Fred fucking Durst was made the CEO of his own fucking label is un-fucking-believeble but it can't competely disreguarded. There was a time when the industry thought that shithead had a vision.
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 11:22:35 GMT -5
BTW my soul hurts from saying even marginally positive things about Limp Bizkit.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 11:35:05 GMT -5
Dude, no matter how much you don't want to admit it LB lead that movement. Korn took the reigns and brought a degree of legitmacy to it but make no mistake Limp Bizkit is the band that brought it to the fore. This is crazy talk. LImp bizkit made their debut opening for Korn - not the other way round. If it wasn't for Korn - - there would BE NO Limp Bizkit-! (I know, my aggro heroes aren't perfect;) But if what you're trying to say ded, is that the BLAME for the nu-metal movement should be placed squarely on the shoulders of LImp Bizkit instead of Korn, I'll buy that. Cuz korn, imo, were never really "numetal" (they merely spawned numetal). So, I'll go with this: That Limp Bizkit is the Eldest of the Numetal spawn; i.e, making Korn "Daddy" and the bizkit the oldest son. That I'll accept. . . |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 11:38:23 GMT -5
It depends what you're referring to as the movement then, ded. Because if you're just talking about rap/metal hybrid, then both Korn and Limp Bizkit came way after Rage Against the Machine and yes, 311. And of course, korn was never a rap band, nor a metal band! They were only labelled "rap/metal" by clueless outsiders who never really lent more than a cursory inspection to what the 5 members of korn were actually doing w/their instruments. You wanna hear a real, bonafide "rap/metal" band-? Check out Sweden's CLAWFINGER. Now there's a rap-metal band, straight up. Korn are originals, period. They are not numetal, rap, hip-hop, nor are they metal or even plain rock - - they are unlike any other band that ever lived and thus uncategorizable other than their own name. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 11:39:18 GMT -5
Limp Bizkit is not important. I should know -- I saw them when they first opened for korn. That is all Limp Bizkit ever was - - an opening act for korn. Because a wild & outta control contingency of dumb fucks that attended korn shows back in the day embraced bizkit's dumbjock shtick, does not make them important, even though we all know that it escalated their band to the point of granting them their fucking 15 minutes of fame. But make no mistake about it- as "big" as LB got, it was exactly that: their 15 min. So I'm sorry, as much fun as I had at many Limp Bizkit shows opening for Korn, there is no way you'll convince me they were ever in any way "important". KOrn never really even needed an opener. The only band I can think of that got their start as a korn opening band who went on to become important was INCUBUS. Incubus? Beg pardon? Incubus is by an order of several magnitudes more important than Limp Bizkit could ever dream of having been. But I won't get into the specifics (just yet;). |
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 11:40:55 GMT -5
I don't remember the name of it but you should track down Chuck Klosterman's essay about Korn.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 11:42:53 GMT -5
It depends what you're referring to as the movement then, ded. Because if you're just talking about rap/metal hybrid, then both Korn and Limp Bizkit came way after Rage Against the Machine and yes, 311. Yes, but it wasn't a movement then. It wasn't a genre. RATM, 311, FNM and Anthrax are all credible forebearers (quite honestly better then anything that came after) but when rap-metal, nu metal whatever you want to call it broke into the mainstream Limp Bizkit was the band at the front of the line. Man the more you say this, the more I tend to agree with it - - anything so long as KOrn aren't held culpable for this awful mess LB fronted. Again: korn aren't / weren't "rap", "metal", or anything like that. (The singular exception to this observation would be that they featured {on only 3 albums - less than half their studio effort thus far} actual rappers as guest stars / co-vocalists for a small handful of songs.) Korn were / are a lot of things: progenitors, originals, often copied but never duplicated, and a majorly important force in the annals of rock. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 11:45:14 GMT -5
Bet ThoRny never thought he'd see a concensus here that his favorite band qualify as "important" to rock and roll history. haha, no doubt HOlzman. . . ! However, I must say: I knew you guys were astute enuff deep inside to get it  |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 12:06:39 GMT -5
I gotta go w/Rocky's take on LB's inherent unimportance, luke. I'm sorry, but "sucking balls" and "important" do not go hand in hand, unless you're the Sex Pistols.
Before I piss off someone who loved the Pistols (as I do), lemme just qualify my statement by explaining they only "sucked balls" insofar as technically, their actual ability as musicians goes. Then again Steve Jones did play a mean guitar. WTF am I saying - - the Sex Pistols were brilliant !
Fuck Limp bizkit, I can't for the life of me think how anyone (especially from these boards) could argue for the importance of that band, yer just messin', I call bullshit on dat ! ;D
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 12:12:19 GMT -5
I don't remember the name of it but you should track down Chuck Klosterman's essay about Korn. Hopefull it's online; I'll look for it |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 12:19:03 GMT -5
 This here fuckin shit got down & KickeD it~!  |
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 12:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 12:29:29 GMT -5
cool - i'll check it later (when I get a chance)
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