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Post by sisyphus on Oct 27, 2006 12:30:25 GMT -5
ick. i do not delight in L.B.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 13:04:09 GMT -5
lol, of course not sweetie
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Post by Paul on Oct 27, 2006 13:09:20 GMT -5
This saddens me that we actually had a page devoted to the "importance" of Limp Dick Bizkit
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Post by luke on Oct 27, 2006 13:27:26 GMT -5
I gotta go w/Rocky's take on LB's inherent unimportance, luke. I'm sorry, but "sucking balls" and "important" do not go hand in hand, unless you're the Sex Pistols. Before I piss off someone who loved the Pistols (as I do), lemme just qualify my statement by explaining they only "sucked balls" insofar as technically, their actual ability as musicians goes. Then again Steve Jones did play a mean guitar. WTF am I saying - - the Sex Pistols were brilliant ! Fuck Limp bizkit, I can't for the life of me think how anyone (especially from these boards) could argue for the importance of that band, yer just messin', I call bullshit on dat ! ;D But music "sucking balls" is a bit irrelevant to how important it is. You can call Korn General Patton if you want, but Limp Bizkit was the Sherman fucking Tank that brought life to hundreds of bands and musicians. And bet your bottom dollar that Fred Durst was more responsible for pushing units of Follow the Leader than Ice Cube or the lead single. Another reason Limp Bizkit will always be mounds more important than Incubus and the ilk is that they were the biggest gateway band of the late 90s. Do you realize how many people got back into rock because of Limp Bizkit? How many people got back into metal? How many people went on to listen to bigger and better things that they never would have discovered if not for Limp Bizkit? When LB came out, kids listened to rap. Fuck, I was excited the first time I heard "Counterfeit" because I knew that it was a rock song that my friends who listened to nothing but Tupac and No Limit and an unending list of shitty down south undie rappers would actually play in the car. And play it they did. Before long, they were also breaking back out the Korn, and the Metallica, and the TOOL, and eventually moving on to the Radiohead and what-not they listen to today. Limp Bizkit made rock cool again. They fell flat on their faces and were nearly forgotten, but they brought it on. Even the kids that didn't move onto better bands, who also ended up getting into Creed and their band of shitty imitators, still wouldn't have gotten there if not for Limp Bizkit. They completely changed the landscape. Hell, what about the backlash to the kind of music they started making? Why do you think people got so pissed about Durst running around in JaMC and Smiths shirts not too long ago? It's because those same pissed off people were jamming Morrissey like never before and breathing popularity back into the sensitive guy indie rock scene as a direct backlash to what Limp Bizkit started. Ded had a great point on another board talking about how it's unfair to measure influence by imitators. Limp Bizkit had tons of imitators, and we still do hear Papa Roach on the radio sometimes, but their biggest contributions were: 1. Bringing mindless machismo back into music. 2. Getting the kids off of the rap. 3. Starting a backlash movement in the indie scene. Without Korn they wouldn't have been there, sure, but without Limp Bizkit as a part of the Family Values tour, Korn wouldn't have made half the cash they did back then. As for who the "innovators of nu-metal" were, who gives a fuck? I mean...no one's gonna argue that the Melvins are more important than Nirvana, y'know? |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 13:35:17 GMT -5
Now that was a damned good comeback, luke. I mean, you practically got me convinced, there. Excellent job laying it all out. I hadn't ever really considered that kind of impact, kickstarted by the baggypants bizkit crew. What you've pointed out makes sense.
One little thing, though. I maintain the Melvins were (and more significantly, still are) more important than Nirvana. Even Kurt (god bless his soul) would agree w/me, I think. He owed almost everything to the Melvins - - and far too many other artists that are huge today, as well. (TOOL, anyone?) I can say the Melvins were more important than Nirvana and keep a straight face, nor blink. Because it's the truth: In fact, there could be an argument stating the Melvins are the most important band alive today.
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 13:41:00 GMT -5
Thorn, you don't want to start that arguement. It's not true, you just wish it were.
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Post by Paul on Oct 27, 2006 14:43:05 GMT -5
In fact, there could be an argument stating the Melvins are the most important band alive today.
according to Guitar World magazine, Pearl Jam is America's most imortant rock band....
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 15:14:21 GMT -5
Thorn, you don't want to start that arguement. It's not true, you just wish it were. I don't know, the Melvins were the god damned pro fuckin genitors of the grunge movement - - and that's not all. In many key ways, they were/are the secret linchpin that holds all heavy bands today together. They are like, I don't know, the anti-bodies of rock. Fighting off any possibility of encroaching disease. The Melvins have collaborated with absolutely fuckin' everyone. And not just cuz their little black book is empty, or they're available for animal balloon parties. It's because they are one of the most influential forces from the underground that have co-conspired with more serious musicians than you can shake a stick at. Seriously - - don't even try to dismiss the importance of The Melvins. It cannot be overstated. |
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 15:25:17 GMT -5
Well again, I'm not saying they're not important just not more important then Nirvana.
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Post by phil on Oct 27, 2006 15:36:12 GMT -5
Thank gods I had to take care of two small kids in the 90's and didn't care much for musix except for Jazz and Classical ...  |
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 15:49:43 GMT -5
Well again, I'm not saying they're not important just not more important then Nirvana. Ok, I'll give you that much. Clearly I'd be overstating my case should I attempt to state they were more important than NIrvana. We just have to face the fact: that some bands take the torch handed to em by their mentors (i.e, both nirvana & pearl jam taking the torch from the melvins) and run with it to heights only dreamed-of by the mentors themselves. I was gunna add, "would that the mentors would get the fame they deserve", but have thought better of it. I'm sure the Melvins are perfectly happy being constantly overlooked by the masses. There's more than enuff prestige in just being the Godfathers, and still being around to prove it. |
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Post by Galactus on Oct 27, 2006 16:04:05 GMT -5
Mudhoney too also.
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Post by luke on Oct 27, 2006 16:07:40 GMT -5
What Nirvana did, really, was meld the Pixies and the Melvins into something more marketable without losing any of the credibility. Not too many bands have ever been able to pull off something like that.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Oct 27, 2006 16:24:27 GMT -5
Um, if it were for Kurt following the Melvins around like a lost little puppy dog and being so enomoured with them, I just don't really see that Nirvana would have happened.
Well put, luke. I always thought they were the bastard children of REM and Celtic Frost but your analogy works much better.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 27, 2006 16:34:26 GMT -5
I always thought they were the bastard children of REM and Celtic Frost but your analogy works much better. ... You also did a lotta drugs back then, didn't you -? ;b |
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