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Post by poseidon on Apr 19, 2006 11:38:23 GMT -5
He's a dick I'll agree at times. I think though he has some kind of neurosis. He changes his opinion constantly...what is it "T?" Hellbound or saveable?
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Post by melon1 on Apr 19, 2006 13:56:15 GMT -5
It's always been savable with me. I never suggested otherwise, though, due to my previous hostility, I can understand why some might believe that.
I may or may not respond to Chrisfan's post about the gay cruise with Rosie O'Donnel on HBO at a later time. There is too much negativity on this thread at the moment for me. It has become discouraging, especially after I thought I was being pretty reasonable yesterday. It seems that some of you guys simply won't be satisfied with anything I say until I agree that homosexuality is not a sin. I've done my best to communicate fairly while keeping that belief of mine intact. It's obviously a pointless affair. So I'm vacating the premises(this thread) for a while.
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Post by chrisfan on Apr 19, 2006 14:20:27 GMT -5
T, while I'm sorry for what you're feeling in response to the reaction you got, I can't say that I'm surprised to see the reaction that you got. In some ways, I hope that you could use the experience of what you're feeling right now to better understand the message that you (intentionally or not) and other Christians who agree with your line of thinking on gay people give to gay people.
In your mind, your intentions are good. But your words come across as condescending, without any hope. There is not acceptance unless they conform to your idea of an acceptable life. Sound at all like what you're feeling right now? It is precisely that feeling that I am fully aware that too many loud voices representing Christianity give to many in the gay community. No one around here has told you (yesterday anyway) that your unwelcome here. And yet, you (understandably) don't wish to participate. You feel that towards a thread on a message board. Imagine the tragedy that happens when it's the church that a person feels that towards.
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Post by poseidon on Apr 26, 2006 22:31:37 GMT -5
Melon lost...games over pal. I win I win!
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Post by maarts on Apr 27, 2006 9:25:06 GMT -5
What a nice guy you turn out to be Pat. 'I win'?
Loser.
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Post by rockysigman on Apr 27, 2006 15:07:08 GMT -5
What a nice guy you turn out to be Pat. 'I win'? Loser. QFT |
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Post by poseidon on Apr 28, 2006 12:51:07 GMT -5
What a nice guy you turn out to be Pat. 'I win'? Loser. Damn man. I was hoping that post might bring Melon back. Provoke a response. Alas... |
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 28, 2006 12:53:51 GMT -5
What a nice guy you turn out to be Pat. 'I win'? Loser. Damn man. I was hoping that post might bring Melon back. Provoke a response. Alas... Hmm, we could try yelling out ... COME BACK LITTLE MELON! ALL IS FORGIVEN!  Or ... DESPERATELY SEEKING MELON. Anybody have his email? |
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Post by Thorngrub on Apr 28, 2006 16:27:39 GMT -5
oh...man.
did I miss all the excitement -?
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Post by Thorngrub on Apr 28, 2006 16:29:42 GMT -5
I can snail mail him.
I'll be mailing him a mix tape I made for him, soon enuff.
I'll do my best to eloquently let him know how much he is missed here,
and that he should return. Sometimes, we could all use a little "cooling off"
time from this place. In the heat of the moment, we can all do rash things.
He's gunna love this mix . . . . I hope to have it mailed off come Monday morn.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 28, 2006 16:31:34 GMT -5
Thanks Thorn. Tell him I want him to come back soon ... so I won't have to score that damn Greatest American Rocker survey!
And I've got a few more coming up ...
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Post by Thorngrub on Apr 28, 2006 16:35:07 GMT -5
Thanks Thorn. Tell him I want him to come back soon ... so I won't have to score that damn Greatest American Rocker survey! And I've got a few more coming up ... I'll be sure to mention you in my solicitation to get him to return. He'll be back |
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 27, 2007 21:21:23 GMT -5
I know that this board has been long dormant, but I'm gonna try to revive it a bit here ...
I've been thinking about the following for a little while, and I'm curious to hear any thoughts you folks may have (ThoRns, I have a feeling that this is something right up your alley). I've been pondering on the role of change in the life of an individual ... in particular, I'm wondering if you guys think that there is some sort of essential essence as to what an individual is, such that there are core characteristics that they cannot change, or if people are as maleable as they want to be. I don't know if that made any sense, so let's try again ...
You guys all know the story of the scorpion and the frog, right? They both need to cross a stream, and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across, promising not to sting him because they would then both die. The frog agrees, and half-way across the scorpion none the less strikes the frog, dooming both to a watery grave. Before he expires, the frog asks the scorpion, "Why did you do that?" to which the scorpion replies, "I'm a scorpion, it's what I do." Could the scorpion change if he wanted to? Assuming, of course, that the scorpion is really a person, and not a scorpion who is largely genetically programmed to do what he does.
Can a person who has had certain characteristics for a long time change those qualities? If so, how and/or what do you think is necessary for it? Or are we, at some level, a victim of our own essential qualities? If this is true, is it possible to know what traits can be changed and which ones we're stuck with?
Did all that make any sense at all? I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on this. And I'm speaking here on a practical level, not some kind of "Hitler didn't have to cause the deaths of those millions of people" sort of thing. I'm talking about can people break the patterns of their daily lives in a meaningful way.
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Feb 27, 2007 21:42:35 GMT -5
I don't think we can break out of our own biology, and core features of personality are very dominant.
and not a scorpion who is largely genetically programmed to do what he does
But so are we to a considerable extent. Sure, abstract thinking & foresight afford us the luxury of morality, but I think even this is heavily influenced by our natural instincts.
Interesting question, Kenny H.
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Post by wayved on Feb 28, 2007 0:21:05 GMT -5
Ken H-thats heavy. What are you asking? can a human being change its traits? Qualties? Absolutely. Whether or not someone ELSE wants to change.....IS LOVE INVOLVED? Emotions are crazy. I want it unconditionally. So does every other human being.
People are who they are. If someone wants you to change for them and you try you may find it difficult because all you get out of it is a false sense of happiness cos you had to change in the first place to please someone else if the change (on the surface) takes place. No unconditional Agape taking place--thats messed up. If there are issues you should be able to sort em out.
If you want to change for yourself its a completely different thing, and a little more challenging because its for YOU and no one else..a little more leeway. Upside is no feeling like gutter shit.
This is your goal and your goal alone.
For what its worth, dont change a thing about yourself unless its crooked and evil (jailtime/psychic terror). And only you can define that.
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