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Post by Galactus on Mar 13, 2007 10:08:24 GMT -5
He means if you pull your head out yer ass, you might hear it ! Yeah, that's probably it. If we're lucky he'll tell us how much he likes Bike. |
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Post by kmc on Mar 13, 2007 10:15:57 GMT -5
I am sorry, everyone. thorn is right. Pink Floyd is the best act ever. And the new TOOL album doesn't suck either.
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Post by luke on Mar 13, 2007 10:41:10 GMT -5
I tend to think that age is a disadvantage went it comes to reviewing artforms that came out in your lifetime. Someone who was thirteen in the heyday of Pink Floyd and a total mark for them may never, ever be able to objectively critique their albums. No more than a huge chunk of my generation will ever be able to properly rate something like Weezer's Blue Album.
It's hard to do when you were so caught up in the heat of the moment. If you can't strip a band of your personal sentimentality and collection of fond memories, you can't look at that band objectively. Not to say that there's anything wrong with feelings of nostalgia that music gives you- they're probably the best thing music has going for it. But the "you had to be there" argument is totally bogus. It should be the other way around.
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:42:58 GMT -5
I am sorry, everyone. thorn is right. Pink Floyd is the best act ever. And the new TOOL album doesn't suck either. Finally some sense outta ya ...  |
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:44:01 GMT -5
I tend to think that age is a disadvantage went it comes to reviewing artforms that came out in your lifetime. Someone who was thirteen in the heyday of Pink Floyd and a total mark for them may never, ever be able to objectively critique their albums. No more than a huge chunk of my generation will ever be able to properly rate something like Weezer's Blue Album. It's hard to do when you were so caught up in the heat of the moment. If you can't strip a band of your personal sentimentality and collection of fond memories, you can't look at that band objectively. Not to say that there's anything wrong with feelings of nostalgia that music gives you- they're probably the best thing music has going for it. But the "you had to be there" argument is totally bogus. It should be the other way around. This makes sense . . . to a point. But "objective" appreciation of music is for robots. |
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Post by Galactus on Mar 13, 2007 10:47:58 GMT -5
I tend to think that age is a disadvantage went it comes to reviewing artforms that came out in your lifetime. Someone who was thirteen in the heyday of Pink Floyd and a total mark for them may never, ever be able to objectively critique their albums. No more than a huge chunk of my generation will ever be able to properly rate something like Weezer's Blue Album. It's hard to do when you were so caught up in the heat of the moment. If you can't strip a band of your personal sentimentality and collection of fond memories, you can't look at that band objectively. Not to say that there's anything wrong with feelings of nostalgia that music gives you- they're probably the best thing music has going for it. But the "you had to be there" argument is totally bogus. It should be the other way around. This makes sense . . . to a point. But "objective" appreciation of music is for robots. Appreciation and enjoyment are two different things. No reason you can't appreciate something and still not like it. |
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Post by kmc on Mar 13, 2007 10:51:28 GMT -5
Perspective is important. Big deal, thorn thinks Pink Floyd is great, I don't (mind you, I don't think they suck, either). But I am not going to accept outlandish claims like
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at face value. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:56:24 GMT -5
I admit Ken the term "singlehandedly" was hyperbolic to a point unnecessary, and I'm glad to take it back. The Floyd helped to usher in post-rock, but I've got another maddening theory sure to puzzle you guys, I also think they helped usher in that overwhelming movement known as the "indy movement", thanks in no small part to one Mr. Syd Barrett in particular *koff*
So yeah . . . I'm saying that both the INDY and POST-ROCK movements owe much of their existence to none other than . . . . PINK FLOYD.
That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Thas cool though Kenny, that my maintaining the music on DSOTM should be viewed as being underappreciated rather than overrated, just doesn't make any sense to ya. It's cuz we operate under different "reality tunnels", as Robert Anton Wilson was wont to say.
Really my observation that the Floyd should be seen as being underappreciated rather than overrated is simply the same thing as me saying one should have a positive outlook rather than a negative one, is all. No big deal. Pessimism and egocentricity are things that are difficult to modulate.
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Post by shin on Mar 13, 2007 10:56:38 GMT -5
Well, Pink Floyd are, in fact, more responsible for the advent of post-rock than any other band in rock history.
Second one, dunno about that.
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:57:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I dunno about the Indy -influence thing, but it's a fact that WILCO were heavily influenced by the Floyd, whether Rocky likes it or not ;b
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:58:45 GMT -5
I just think there's possibly some merit to that theory - that the Floyd were just as responsible for the advent of Indy music as anyone. More so than most, perhaps. What I'm really lookin for is feedback on this theory . . .
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Post by Galactus on Mar 13, 2007 11:01:45 GMT -5
I just think there's possibly some merit to that theory - that the Floyd were just as responsible for the advent of Indy music as anyone. More so than most, perhaps. What I'm really lookin for is feedback on this theory . . . I guess it all depends on what you mean by "indy", Pink Floyd were never what you'd call DIY, nor were they ever terribly "lo-fi", at least within their own limits. So I'd have to say I probably don't agree. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 11:02:30 GMT -5
That's a good point, ded (more on this later . . . just got paged)
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Post by Galactus on Mar 13, 2007 11:09:41 GMT -5
Well, Pink Floyd are, in fact, more responsible for the advent of post-rock than any other band in rock history. Second one, dunno about that. I'd to see your math on this too. |
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 13, 2007 11:24:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I dunno about the Indy -influence thing, but it's a fact that WILCO were heavily influenced by the Floyd, whether Rocky likes it or not ;b Not really. I mean, I know you cited them covering a song at some point, but that doesn't prove influence any more than it proves that they just like that song. If you could point out some stuff in Wilco's music that sounds like Floyd I'll give a little more credence to this but until then I think it's BS. |
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