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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 12, 2007 19:07:24 GMT -5
I can feel the love just radiating from this board now. ;D |
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Post by kmc on Mar 12, 2007 19:12:40 GMT -5
Hug DED, Rocdoc.
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 12, 2007 19:18:36 GMT -5
As to the situation which one first hears music ... There are bands that I can listen to and completely relate to what it must have sounded like to people when it first came out, even though I wasn't "there" at the time. This includes (but is not limited to) Beethoven's Ninth Symphony (talk about mind-blowing!), Ricard Strauss' dissonant pieces such as Elektra (quite frankly, this still sounds like it's from another planet), Chuck Berry's classic run of singles, very early Elvis Presley, the Beatles, the Velvet Underground, the Who's entire catalog, the Sex Pistols (particularly "God Save the Queen" which is perhaps the definitive UK punk moment), the Clash, and Born to Run. This is a pretty diverse set of music, I think.
But there are some things that leave me cold, no matter how I try to mentally recreate the historic setting for them. Led Zeppelin always sounds like bad blues to me, w/one of the most annoying front men in rock history. Page's solos have never grabbed me, and it doesn't matter what kind of contortions I put myself through, they always leave me cold. I've tried really hard with Hendrix, and I can appreciate some of what he did -- particularly when he sticks to blues forms and doesn't venture too far into hippie-dippie land with his lyrics. But ultimately, it's always undercut for me by those cringe-inducing lyrics, the "too many notes" approach to the trio format, and the fact that -- try though I have -- his voice just isn't compelling to my ears.
I can appreciate the impact that Jimi had, and I know how important Led Zep are to the historical development of rock and roll. But these aren't the bands I want to hear when I cue up music, they just don't speak to me.
As for Floyd ... well, IMO they are one of the most over-rated bands in rock, in the sense that there seems to be this widespread concensus that every rock fan has to own at least some of their catalog. To my ears they're a niche band, who should really be confined to stoners and aging baby boomers. I was sixteen when The Wall came out, and it was a huge part of the soundtrack to my teenage years, but looking back on it today it's obvious to me that most of it just isn't any good. I think Pink Floyd should be more on the level of a Graham Parker, say, where if you like a particular style of flavour of music then you should check 'em out, but they certainly don't belong on the list of "essential" rock and roll bands.
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 12, 2007 19:28:02 GMT -5
I see the correct choice is still in the lead.  Best. Poll Result. Ever.  |
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 12, 2007 21:19:57 GMT -5
Hmmm......I see a tie. Thank you whoever you are.
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Mar 12, 2007 21:28:32 GMT -5
Oh I totally overhype some stuff but it's just the way VU end up at the top of EVERY list around here...The Clash too.
Yeah, but that didn't happen in the last list we had. Even though I still insist that they're not only overrated around here but in every rock magazine as well, the Clash didn't even make the list. Came as quite a shock to me too. VU was way back at 14, as you can see.
The 25 Greatest Recording Artists Ever
1. The Beatles – 524
2. David Bowie – 374
3. Bob Dylan – 364
4. Radiohead – 324
5. Pink Floyd – 270
6. R.E.M. – 244
7. Tie: U2 & Miles Davis – 242
9. The Rolling Stones – 240
10. The Who – 218
11. The Smiths – 214
12. Talking Heads – 186
13. Led Zeppelin – 172
14. The Velvet Underground – 170
15. The Cure – 160
16. Tie: Bruce Springsteen & Brian Eno – 156
18. Pavement – 150
19. Stevie Wonder – 148
20. Sonic Youth – 146
21. Smashing Pumpkins – 144
22. The Pixies – 142
23. Nick Drake – 128
24. Johnny Cash – 124
25. Frank Zappa – 114
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Post by Ryosuke on Mar 12, 2007 22:12:49 GMT -5
As for Floyd ... well, IMO they are one of the most over-rated bands in rock, in the sense that there seems to be this widespread concensus that every rock fan has to own at least some of their catalog. Does such a consensus actually exist though? I personally think that not liking punk rock would be considered way more scandalous these days by the "informed rock fan" (yuck) than not liking Pink Floyd. |
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Post by Galactus on Mar 12, 2007 22:22:00 GMT -5
I think the thing may be that was a consensus but no longer is. Image wise I think Pink Floyd is now associated with people who only listen to classic rock radio. They're no longer a band that represents any kind of informed, discerning opinion.
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Post by KooL on Mar 12, 2007 22:24:22 GMT -5
Hmmm......I see a tie. Thank you whoever you are. I don't see a tie. Thank you, whoever you are.  |
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Post by shin on Mar 13, 2007 0:36:39 GMT -5
This all has to be a discussion on account of their stereotypical fans because it's becoming clear to me that many people here haven't heard a single note of Pink Floyd.
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Post by maarts on Mar 13, 2007 5:44:26 GMT -5
Big deal. Six people no like Pink Floyd? Guess it's easy to drive the point further and further- you lost my interest after the first post (Ken H, yours at least was informative).
I don't care about half the band most people here rave about. I'll add my ten cents if anyone cares but more than 10 cents is not necessary.
Pink Floyd's a band that's important to me. Don't mind if people don't care about their music but PF has given me more enjoyment than the Clash, The Who, even Bruce have given me. That's not to diss these bands, it's a wholesome truth.
I'd rather read people's impressions about the music than see a couple of saddo's dance around the fire cheering their election victory.
Just my ten cents.
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Post by kmc on Mar 13, 2007 7:05:26 GMT -5
Oh I totally overhype some stuff but it's just the way VU end up at the top of EVERY list around here...The Clash too.Yeah, but that didn't happen in the last list we had. Even though I still insist that they're not only overrated around here but in every rock magazine as well, the Clash didn't even make the list. Came as quite a shock to me too. VU was way back at 14, as you can see. The 25 Greatest Recording Artists Ever1. The Beatles – 524 2. David Bowie – 374 3. Bob Dylan – 364 4. Radiohead – 324 5. Pink Floyd – 270 6. R.E.M. – 244 7. Tie: U2 & Miles Davis – 242 9. The Rolling Stones – 240 10. The Who – 218 11. The Smiths – 214 12. Talking Heads – 186 13. Led Zeppelin – 172 14. The Velvet Underground – 170 15. The Cure – 160 16. Tie: Bruce Springsteen & Brian Eno – 156 18. Pavement – 150 19. Stevie Wonder – 148 20. Sonic Youth – 146 21. Smashing Pumpkins – 144 22. The Pixies – 142 23. Nick Drake – 128 24. Johnny Cash – 124 25. Frank Zappa – 114 Yeah, but this list has a lot of overhyped stuff on it as well. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 9:17:24 GMT -5
*sigh*, there should be more overhyping of the world's music. . .
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Post by kmc on Mar 13, 2007 9:32:30 GMT -5
This all has to be a discussion on account of their stereotypical fans because it's becoming clear to me that many people here haven't heard a single note of Pink Floyd. What do you mean, shin? |
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Post by Thorngrub on Mar 13, 2007 10:01:35 GMT -5
He means if you pull your head out yer ass, you might hear it !
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