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[maarts]

Kind of like how you lecture me about the way I address Rocky, and then do the same to me Maarts? See, it goes both ways. I'm not the one whining about the way people are treated around here. I'm also not the one whining about the topics being covered.

You might not be whining about how peope are treated around here but you don't treat people always fair either.
Your direct comment after Rocky's post was unequivocal and personal- you could have let him either know you were offended or let it slip- you chose to be snide and you got lip.
As so did I...I didn't expect anything else.

My post about my grandma was only to illustrate that you are not alone in being emotional about this case. You could have asked me what the debate was what my family had about my gran's future. No, you chose to use it against me and make your point.

As far as the topics go...'or what the heart is full off...'...this topic has had many people involved in and consumed all your posts, even though Rocky and I have tried bringing up different subjects...that's the way the ball rolls. Doesn't mean that if people want to bring up another subject and see it drowned out completely by posts about Schiavo that they can say anything about it.

...and to answer your question, Rocky....no idea if he's the right man for the job.

[stratman19]

Strawman: I think those quotes sum up stratmans feelings right now....but how many prisoners have been executed in the US whilst professing their innocence...yeah and which other western "civilised" cultures still enforce a death penalty (a lot of repeal came about because it was found innocent people were being executed)...I do agree, it seems life is no more valuable than dog shit in the US....damn death merchants....

I'm not a proponet of capital punishment, and I've said so on these boards. I've also said in the past that I'm glad Michigan doesn't have the death penalty (Michigan has never had it). Perhaps that surprises you. Perhaps it doesn't.

[stratman19]

Chrisfan: Stratman has become a Christian? Great news! I knew Amp and I had recommended "Purpose Driven Life" to him, but I never thought that it would be that life changing for him.

Um, no. I have obtained a copy of The Purpose Driven Life, but nothing profound has happened yet.

[chrisfan]

maarts said:

My post about my grandma was only to illustrate that you are not alone in being emotional about this case. You could have asked me what the debate was what my family had about my gran's future. No, you chose to use it against me and make your point.

I'm sorry Maarten, but I think that this comment is patently unfair and uncalled for. Going back to look at it, I recognize that I made a mistake by quoting your full post when I was only resonding to part of it. So, perhaps that is why you're saying that I used your comments about your Grandmother against you. But I did nothing of the sort. My response was to your second paragraph, not the full post. I did not comment on what you said about your Grandmother. Why? Because I don't think it's fair to apply your or anyone else's personal experiences to this case. My family has gone through such a time as well. The decisions we made did not fall in like with the Schindler's wishes for Terri. Why? Because it was very clear to ALL of us exactly what my Grandfather wanted. When it comes to sharing deeply personal experiences on a message board, I have always taken the approach that a person will share as much as he is comfortable sharing. For that reason, I usually don't ask for additional details in such matters. I did not comment further on your grandmother because quite honestly, I did not have enough information to comment on.

Maarts, I like you, I really do. And I respect you. But I deeply resent the way you are handling this. You do not know me, my emotions, or my thoughts well enough to have any business telling me what is and is not acceptable behavior. And I will not change because you've told me to. So please forgive me if from this point on, I ignore your "helpful hints" on how I should treat you, Rocky, or anyone else. I will listen to my friends when it comes to feeback about myself.

[chrisfan]

stratman19 said:

Chrisfan: Stratman has become a Christian? Great news! I knew Amp and I had recommended "Purpose Driven Life" to him, but I never thought that it would be that life changing for him.

Um, no. I have obtained a copy of The Purpose Driven Life, but nothing profound has happened yet.

I figured! I just giggle when people are labeled as being things that they've been so clear in saying they are not! :-)

[stratman19]

JACkory: I don't speak for stratman, but I don't believe he has ever professed faith in Christ, nor do I think he would wish to be referred to as a Christian. If I'm wrong, I apologize to stratman.
Surely you've paid closer attention to his posts than to think that he has aligned himself with the belief system of us Christians? Or are you one of these people who thinks that all Christians are republicans and all republicans are Christians?

No apology is necessary JAC. Your comments and assessment are spot on.

Thorn, I don't know why you continually call me a Christian. You have done so many times, even after I've said a kabillion times or so that I'm an agnostic. Why is that?

Because I'm a conservative? Because I'm a Republican? Believe it or not, one can be secular, and conservative. Why is that apparently so hard for you to understand?

[chrisfan]

stratman19 said:

JACkory: I don't speak for stratman, but I don't believe he has ever professed faith in Christ, nor do I think he would wish to be referred to as a Christian. If I'm wrong, I apologize to stratman.
Surely you've paid closer attention to his posts than to think that he has aligned himself with the belief system of us Christians? Or are you one of these people who thinks that all Christians are republicans and all republicans are Christians?

No apology is necessary JAC. Your comments and assessment are spot on.

Thorn, I don't know why you continually call me a Christian. You have done so many times, even after I've said a kabillion times or so that I'm an agnostic. Why is that?

Because I'm a conservative? Because I'm a Republican? Believe it or not, one can be secular, and conservative. Why is that apparently so hard for you to understand?

Uh oh ... that would indicate that it is possible to be a Republican, a Bush supporter AND think for oneself! If word gets out of you Stratman, the world may crumble!!!! ;-)

[stratman19]

MrGordon: the audacity to use the term death merchants to represent all of the left? maybe i have mistnterpreted? but either way that was 8th grade stupid. Stratman, do you have any guns to sell me? any pro-war statements? death is death, we all die, deal with it. chances are you won't meet God, Jesus, or Buddha, or even Satan.

i am not even trying to say what is right here, im just saying youre idiots.

keep watching the news, buy more guns, hate more gays, and keep that intellect at an all time high, we're all proud of you.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that my post was an emotional one, and that parts of it may have been unfair. I was pissed off when I wrote it, but I'm not going to apologize for the way I feel, or for what I believe in.

No, I don't have any guns to sell you. When I buy a gun, I tend to like to keep it. I also don't have any pro-war statements to make at the moment. As for the chances of me not meeting God, Jesus, Buddha, or Satan, I have absolutely no clue what that's supposed to mean.

In closing, I will keep watching the news, I will keep buying guns, I have never hated gays, and as far as what you think of my intellect...well I just don't give a shit.

[rockkid]

Excuse my being late

The morphine was administered for breathing. In the death process, morphine serves a role beyond pain management.

Actually since morphine slows respiration. May I ask what purpose you would see this as having in her case?


That asked, she’s passed on let the poor woman rest.
Its not bad enough that in the past years, weeks, days she’s literally been picked at by her family, ex (technically like it or not he’s an ex), the media, more religions than you can think of & the bloody feds.
I think enough is enough.


I’m also with strat on the edit job. Same reason. We’ve avoided trolls etc for ages now & registration aside I think we all know if a persons determined …………well.


Let’s stay under the freak radar as much as possible.

[stratman19]

Chrisfan said:

Uh oh ... that would indicate that it is possible to be a Republican, a Bush supporter AND think for oneself! If word gets out of you Stratman, the world may crumble!!!! ;-)

Shit! I knew I should have kept that under my hat!

[strat-0]

The platypus is proof that God plays practical jokes. The first specimens brought to Europe were dismissed as a hoax. Cute little buggers, though. I'd love to visit Australia. Aside from all the cool things to see and do, I like the idea of being able to get away to a vast wilderness with ease. But why does everything have to be poisonous? I was talking to Scottsy about this somewhere not long ago. Even your damn toads are poisonous! But they're not indigenous, so I guess that doesn't count. We've brought in some non-native species with less than happy results here, too. The kudzu plant was brought in from China to the Southeast to control erosion in the 19th century and it's been trying to take over ever since. It's a fast-growing legume vine that produces nothing and devours entire forests and even houses if it gets the chance. I'm happy to say there's not one leaf of it on my property. Poison ivy is more welcome than kudzu.

[rockkid]

And I must say smokie considering some of the TA’s I imagine you’ve responded to I’m rather surprised at your apparent no quarter on life support issues.

[maarts]

Maarts, I like you, I really do. And I respect you. But I deeply resent the way you are handling this. You do not know me, my emotions, or my thoughts well enough to have any business telling me what is and is not acceptable behavior. And I will not change because you've told me to. So please forgive me if from this point on, I ignore your "helpful hints" on how I should treat you, Rocky, or anyone else. I will listen to my friends when it comes to feeback about myself.

You know, that's my nature. You would have remembered that I have tried in the past and never got anywhere. But so you know, it's not because I feel like I have to 'educate' in that sense, it's just that so many times we are getting into these arguments based upon people's perception of posters and the way they post that we feel that we could get so much different (i.e. more positive) responses if only a post was, let's say a bit differently put.

You're right in assessing that I don't know you. I am forming judgment on the posts you make. What else can one do around here? I tend to be empathic to everyone who pours out their heart and my heart certainly goes out to you too in this case. I offer my apologies if the way you took my dig as more than a response to one post. But we are what we post around here, Chrisfan and unfortunately enough it does take a clash to reach some sort of understanding.

Finally: My grandma died knowing that she was loved and we all were with her until the moment she found peace. And sometimes, throughout the discussion of medical evidence and family brouhaha (which we have gone through in length too), that is the message I take from it. The Schiavo-case did rake a few memories up which somehow seems unavoidable because it shows how common some of the most unanswered questions are.

[maarts]

I actually read Stratman's post too with a degree of wonder, but Thorn's post below it was well put in a restraint way.

Oh yeah, living in Australia's not for the faint-hearted. If not for the toads- you should see the size of the cockroaches here.

I feel sorry for the platypus.

[chrisfan]

rockkid said:

Excuse my being late




Actually since morphine slows respiration. May I ask what purpose you would see this as having in her case?

I'm not a doctor. I'm only passing along the information that I have learned through others I know going through the death process, and what I have learned through Terri Schiavo's story. Many many of the people who were against the tube being removed, were saying that the administering of morphine was proof that she did suffer. The reports I heard from many on both sides of the debate in the medical community was that morphine serves a role beyond pain management in death.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm passing along false information. Shin would tell you that I have been since the beginning of time. Guess I'm damned if I repeat what the anti-tube removal crowd says, and damned if I repeat what the pro-tube removal crowd says.

But think about it rockkid ... If I'm wrong here, then you've been wrong all along in saying that she wasn't suffering.