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Post by shin on Jun 23, 2006 15:52:17 GMT -5
oh yea, then there's this too:  Who called it? Who fucking called it? |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 23, 2006 16:23:09 GMT -5
Man, I am speechless on the ridiculousness of this argument.
But! Since Paul has a soul, would it be terrible rude for me to offer a nickel for his so that I may force him to do my somewhat-sort-of-but-not-too-terribly-mean bit of evil?
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 23, 2006 16:23:29 GMT -5
I'd high five you shin if you were here.
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Post by shin on Jun 23, 2006 16:24:35 GMT -5
How about an e-high five? *e-high fives*
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 23, 2006 16:35:42 GMT -5
But wait, I have even more proof:  |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 23, 2006 16:47:05 GMT -5
How much would you take for the baby?
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Post by shin on Jun 23, 2006 16:49:24 GMT -5
Yeah, how much? And would you include BBQ sauce in the deal?
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 23, 2006 16:51:11 GMT -5
Man, I'm hungry.
Put it in my belly! MY BELLY!
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Post by kmc on Jun 23, 2006 17:21:48 GMT -5
Sinc we all agree that the universe is in motion, the next task becomes how do you account for all this motion? Some 'force' must have either started this whole thing in motion or else some force is keeping it all in motion. Whatever this force is, it is also responsible for keeping man in motion--keeping our hearts beating, our immune systems working our lungs breathing, etc. Why do I say that? Becasue all the matter that makes up each and every one of us came from the big bang. The particles that make up each of us are the same particles that make up the rest of the universe--just in different qauntity and combination. Since the Big Bang was caused by this force that keeps the universe in motion that means this force is not only responsible for the formation of galaxies and the solar systems but it is also responsible for the formation of humans. This means that everything is connected to everything else. Everything in the universe is connected by that force (that started the universe in motion or that force that keeps it in motion). And the soul is--that glue that connects us to everything else in the universe. That glue, which if it didnt exist, would mean the universe would not be in motion or would not even exist. Yeah, that's the cosmological argument right there. Question being, PEW, who started that force? |
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Post by Kensterberg on Jun 23, 2006 17:37:35 GMT -5
Sinc we all agree that the universe is in motion, the next task becomes how do you account for all this motion? Some 'force' must have either started this whole thing in motion or else some force is keeping it all in motion. Whatever this force is, it is also responsible for keeping man in motion--keeping our hearts beating, our immune systems working our lungs breathing, etc. Why do I say that? Becasue all the matter that makes up each and every one of us came from the big bang. The particles that make up each of us are the same particles that make up the rest of the universe--just in different qauntity and combination. Since the Big Bang was caused by this force that keeps the universe in motion that means this force is not only responsible for the formation of galaxies and the solar systems but it is also responsible for the formation of humans. This means that everything is connected to everything else. Everything in the universe is connected by that force (that started the universe in motion or that force that keeps it in motion). And the soul is--that glue that connects us to everything else in the universe. That glue, which if it didnt exist, would mean the universe would not be in motion or would not even exist. Yeah, that's the cosmological argument right there. Question being, PEW, who started that force? Who started the Force? Hmm, consult with Master Yoda we must ... |
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Post by shin on Jun 23, 2006 18:24:33 GMT -5
But would that answer put that child onto our plates and then into our stomachs?
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 23, 2006 19:46:10 GMT -5
Sinc we all agree that the universe is in motion, the next task becomes how do you account for all this motion? Some 'force' must have either started this whole thing in motion or else some force is keeping it all in motion. Whatever this force is, it is also responsible for keeping man in motion--keeping our hearts beating, our immune systems working our lungs breathing, etc. Why do I say that? Becasue all the matter that makes up each and every one of us came from the big bang. The particles that make up each of us are the same particles that make up the rest of the universe--just in different qauntity and combination. Since the Big Bang was caused by this force that keeps the universe in motion that means this force is not only responsible for the formation of galaxies and the solar systems but it is also responsible for the formation of humans. This means that everything is connected to everything else. Everything in the universe is connected by that force (that started the universe in motion or that force that keeps it in motion). And the soul is--that glue that connects us to everything else in the universe. That glue, which if it didnt exist, would mean the universe would not be in motion or would not even exist. Yeah, that's the cosmological argument right there. Question being, PEW, who started that force? Who started it? I have no idea, nor do I need one in order to define that the Soul exists. I'm just pointing out that the soul exists, I'm not saying that some one created it. Like I say I'm aganostic. The existence of God seems incredibly unlikely to me. |
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Post by Galactus on Jun 23, 2006 20:10:18 GMT -5
...but you didn't actually define anything, much less prove anything.
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Post by shin on Jun 23, 2006 21:12:25 GMT -5
And not only that, but I'm still hungry.
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Post by pauledwardwagemann on Jun 23, 2006 21:29:27 GMT -5
If I were to assume, arguendo, that souls exist, and that all living creatures have them, I would have to them assume that there is no distinction between souls of various animals. After all, we know that there is no quantum physical difference between humans and other animals, ergo there must not be such a difference in the souls of all living things. Moreover, since PEW says that "soul" is what binds everything together, then inanimate objects must also have souls. So you would have to treat everything around you as if it has a soul and value its uniqueness and contribution to the universe. Under this perspective, the dust on the bottom of your shoe is at least as important as a human baby. You can't have any preferences for anything, as everything has a soul and must be treated as such. That's what I've gotten from PEW's "proof" (which really isn't "proof" at all, just a bare assertion of his beliefs). Well, you've gotten it wrong. Man is in motion, correct? And what is keeping man in motion? What is keeping his heart beating, his lungs breathing, his immunce system fighting disease? Its the same thing that is keeping the rest of the universe in motion. It is that thing that started the universe in motion at the time of the big bang. So in that sense everything is connected to everything else, we are connected by our souls. You seem to refute my conclusion, yet are unable to refute any of the logic that I've used to reach this conclusion. Mary wrote: I mean, how does this in any way support an argument about the unique preciousness of the human soul? If we are somehow morally obligated to preserve "soul" based upon this logic, then tearing up a piece of paper is every bit the atrocity that aborting a fetus is. I would argue that we are only obligated to first and foremost preserve our own species. We should do everything we can to preserve the human soul. As for the souls of everything else in the universe I think we should try to preserve them as much as possible, but there is no need to deny mother natures rule of survival of the fittest. If mankind has no other option than to evolve to greater hieghts at the expense of other species then we should do so, BUT if and only if using those other species does not ruin our environment to such an extent that it becomes unsafe for man (so doing somethign that ruins the rain forrests for instance--which in turn causes global warming--is not a very good option)... ...but you didn't actually define anything, much less prove anything. I defined soul as that which connects everything to everything--that 'spark' or 'force' or energy that set the universe in motion and/or keeps the universe in motion. |
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