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Post by rockysigman on Mar 17, 2007 3:41:02 GMT -5
That sounds about right. It's a few people who RocDoc doesn't get along with vs. RocDoc (and no, I'm not placing this on him, it's as much as as him, definately). It's not Sedaka vs. Castaways. Most of the people who post at Sedaka aren't involved in this at all. Nor are most of the people at Castaways. It's an unfortunate situation that's gotten worse over time, certainly. But I don't think it's a matter of one board vs. the other. As shin said, if you frame it that way, it's a whole lot of people vs. themselves.
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Post by shin on Mar 17, 2007 3:41:18 GMT -5
What's worse about this is the insistence that I'm the sole proprietor of hostility toward RocDoc, that somehow if I were to disappear, ever Neilite would awaken from their trance and rekindle their love with him, unless I brainwashed them into my lieutenants like Kenny and DED or something.
Here's a thought: how does one man piss off and annoy so many people over a 5 year period? How can one person be so headstrong and stubborn that he requires conspiracy theories in order to function in a community where a sizeable portion outright thinks he's a dick? That should be the topic of this board because that's the source of all of this.
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Post by maarts on Mar 17, 2007 6:39:56 GMT -5
OK. So there's no animosity between the two? That means I'm wrong? That's good.
I thought that there was still some tribalism because of the little joke on the Pink Floyd-board about the dance-off...
That's why I believed that there also was a lot of animosity between various posters, that they wouldn't come down here anymore...I wouldn't mind for more Sedaka-people to feel welcome around here and thought that if there were things that needed to be sorted out, this board might be the way to go. I know that Someone mentioned this place 'smelling like a nursing home' on the Ladies-board, so it might be more a personal choice. But hey, I just wanted stuff to be sorted out if there was stuff. I set the board on sharp from my opening post by putting my prejudices and perceptions in the first post, hoping for response. Good, I guess I'm wrong.
Hope that all @ Sedaka are OK- it would be good to hear from them again- how's someone's baby for instance? Knight still around? Pissin' still breathing?
Shin, I consider you, Kenny, NdY and some others more as part of Sedaka so I was hoping that you could disspel that notion. Rocky did that adequately. Cheers for that.
As for RocDoc- come on, shin, admit that you love baiting him.
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Post by riley on Mar 17, 2007 6:58:28 GMT -5
I started posting at RS.com because it was the first time I found people who shared what I had previously viewed as an unhealthy obsession with music. It's still the common thread through everything for me, and part of why I've probably spent equal time in both shops.
I think both sites are about friendships. Some of us are a couple years away from being able to say we've been chatting, fighting, and hugging for almost 10 years. That's pretty awesome.
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JohnOatesDog
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Post by JohnOatesDog on Mar 17, 2007 7:03:02 GMT -5
what a fag
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Post by maarts on Mar 17, 2007 7:07:16 GMT -5
Well, that was worth setting this board up for....coaxing the Dog out of hibernation!  |
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Post by strat-0 on Mar 17, 2007 15:53:05 GMT -5
Strat, you don't really have any points, though. You seem to be willfully misunderstanding the purpose of Sedaka and its customs. No, I don't have to "unhide it all" nor "shut the fuck up" about it. Who brings up Sedaka? Us? Who started this thread? Us? Who's trying to make this into a war? Us? I've said this before and I'll say it again: 7 out of 10 of the highest posters here are regulars on Sedaka. 8 if you include maarts, who no longer posts there with any consistency, if at all. Shit, if you include Pissin based on where he used to stand here postwise, you'd have 9 out of the top 11. Who is this war being fought between? What this is is a group of people who don't care much for RocDoc and whom RocDoc doesn't care much for. That's where this goes and that's where this ends. Any insistence at making it more than that is a waste of time and feeding into delusions of grandeur. Shin, I don't know how you can read what I said and come back with a response like that. "I've said this before and I'll say it again..." You just said a lot of what I said in a different way. As an open community with a larger, more diverse membership, this one is going to be different by necessity. It's a non issue. The Sedaka clique began in response to the banning of the first troll here. This, after the RS community had been rendered all but useless by trolls before its demise. The poster was invited to return, and did for a time, but a schism remained. I don't know or care about what other groups may have preceded it in some form or fashion. Anyone can start a message board and invite anyone they wish. But it had nothing to do with RocDoc. It's all right here on about the first 20 pages of the Welcome board and the Troll Tribunal board, among others, for anyone who cares to look. I just did, in fact, and it's very illuminating to read again after all this time. |
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Post by RocDoc on Mar 17, 2007 16:24:24 GMT -5
As for RocDoc- come on, shin, admit that you love baiting him.
Maarts, I swear to god I do not.
I blast him and kenny and ded when I feel they're doing their cheap-as-shit intellectually bankrupt tag-teaming of me, which is often...well as often as it is that I post which lately isn't much.
It usually goes like this..
I try to make a post on a twist on someone's opinion of something, like I did there (the PF poll)...and a distorted/misunderstood version is posted with a presumption that that is now clearly my intended position to everyone reading AND then it's 'argued down'. My non-existent point.
See, Kenny never tried to say that he'd misunderstood that I never proclaimed the ridiculous notion that 'if you weren't there when the music was hatched, well just hush up about it'.
Luke, in a few pages made comment of me/others STILL endorsing this idea that simple reasoning tells you is crap.
And this is how so often it goes.
It a fucking absurd circle that's gone around and around for several years here. Me trying to clarify, getting fed up, getting various forms of ridicule thrown in my path and the me getting fed up some MORE.
No I definitely don't live for this.
What this is is a group of people who don't care much for RocDoc and whom RocDoc doesn't care much for. That's where this goes and that's where this ends. Any insistence at making it more than that is a waste of time and feeding into delusions of grandeur.
The group who don't care much for RocDoc are a subset and the shin says that MOST of them don't like me now (tho I have been told differently several times).
So the subset's fucking big innit? According to shin, accordiing to ded....
Where this ends is to please fucking STOP with the goddamned perconcieved notion (I honestly see it as purely reflex) that YOU instantly know 'He's THAT way, always...he never changes, he'll never say anything of worth to our hip coterie'' which continually fosters those people thinking that I am saying what they expect me to say, in their EZ2-unnerstan' little caricature of me....or should I believe they purposely twist and tweak my intent so they'd elicit a frustrated reaction from me?
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Post by shin on Mar 17, 2007 16:34:25 GMT -5
The Sedaka clique began in response to the banning of the first troll here. This, after the RS community had been rendered all but useless by trolls before its demise. The poster was invited to return, and did for a time, but a schism remained. I don't know or care about what other groups may have preceded it in some form or fashion. Anyone can start a message board and invite anyone they wish. But it had nothing to do with RocDoc. It's all right here on about the first 20 pages of the Welcome board and the Troll Tribunal board, among others, for anyone who cares to look. I just did, in fact, and it's very illuminating to read again after all this time. Apparently you need to read it again, because Knight is not, and never has been, and never will be, a troll. I'm sorry, but I can't continue this conversation with you. The rest of your post suggests your ability to comprehend what I was saying is not up to standard as well, so it would just be a waste of both our time to attempt to do so. |
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 17, 2007 16:37:17 GMT -5
RocDoc -- I'm pretty sure that Maarts meant that Shin loves to bait you, not that you enjoy going after him.
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Post by Galactus on Mar 17, 2007 16:43:14 GMT -5
No, doc would never ever "blast" us with out good reason.
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Post by someone on Mar 17, 2007 16:44:35 GMT -5
My baby is fine.  |
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Post by Kensterberg on Mar 17, 2007 16:49:54 GMT -5
Awwwwww!
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Post by shin on Mar 17, 2007 17:08:18 GMT -5
I do love baiting RocDoc, maarts. The reason why is that since I haven't been able to have a conversation with him in the last 4 years without him expecting the worst out of me at all times, no matter what attitude I'm taking, I've decided that rather than try to convince him of my qualities as a person and a poster, I'll just play to his base insecurities and quickness to anger for my own personal amusement. There's no point in doing otherwise.
I've brought it up before, but my first post on CE Castaways was my first post on any CE in over a year. I made every attempt to be conciliatory, polite, considerate and respectful, and it was thrown in my face by Chrisfan and RocDoc with much pleasure on their part, even after a year removed. At some point, this little factoid will be absorbed into the shared Castaways history and we can all remember it the next time this conversation ever comes up again. It's all still there on public record.
I'm reminded of the history between JAC and RocDoc. When JAC discovered religion, he made every effort to atone for his past behavior toward RocDoc, but RocDoc wasn't having any of it: how could he possibly change? RocDoc knows JAC so well psychologically, already pegged him as "pathological" (*hint*)...so surely any born again mumbo jumbo must be an act, right? Right?
So what's the point in trying to treat him differently if he won't even trust me if I do attempt to? Not just won't trust, but will openly accuse me of pulling a prank, and be even nastier than before?
So yes, I offer no defense of baiting RocDoc being the "right" thing to do. But I said it just last night and I'll say it again: none of this would be possible if RocDoc weren't the person that he is.
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Post by Ryosuke on Mar 17, 2007 17:12:02 GMT -5
strat, would you ban PEW please? Thanks.
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