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Post by RocDoc on Oct 6, 2004 11:23:29 GMT -5
Dimmu Borgir feature:
*drum machine sounding percussion*
I was told by the patient who lent me those 5 discs(incl Old Man's Child)that Dimmu Borgir AND Old Man's Child have Cradle Of Filth's Nicholas Barker on drums these days...the OzzFest reviews I read labelled Dimmu Borgir as 'high concept' with makeup and prostheses...so maybe they need to go more into the 'artsy' in terms of the music they use...
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 6, 2004 12:12:22 GMT -5
That "Euphonic Misanthropia" album was artsy as ragfuck, which is why I didn't care for it. The "intro" had me curious -- as it is a very prettified piece of string arrangement, and at first I was drawn aback, thinking this might be the wrong "burnt" disc -- then track 2 begins in all its thunderous, double-bass drum glory, yet I remained unimpressed as it featured far too much of a synthetic feel to it. I would venture to categorize Dimmu Borgir - based on that single album of theirs I listened to partially - as the "Yani" of black metal. Perhaps this is where they've merely ended up; I can not imagine them starting out that way, hailing from Norway. So perhaps older Borgir would do it for me, but to be honest -- I just don't care to look further into them.
After being repeatedly assaulted live and in my face with the likes of local underground legends Ibex Throne and The Obliterate Plague at various unsuspecting venues destroyed in their wake, I now see clearly why authentic blackmetal worshippers lump Dimmu into the "MTV-blackmetal" crowd, cuz that's precisely what they sounded like (at least the first 4 tracks).
Blackmetal should be ugly, and terrifying, period.
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Post by Thorngrub on Oct 6, 2004 12:16:15 GMT -5
As for Cradle's drummer - who pounds the stitched skins in Old Man's Child as well -- at least in OMC the man has a precision agenda of brutal battery onslaughts the old-fashioned way. I'm not into COF cuz I've never really lent an ear, one of these days I'm sure I will but I'm too busy right now grooving to the horrific, raw sounds of the new XanthuR release, getting ready for the Hallowed season.  |
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Post by riley on Oct 6, 2004 13:36:19 GMT -5
That's the coolest emoticon yet Thorn. Nice one.
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 6, 2004 16:31:03 GMT -5
Well Fantasia, I listened to that Borgir-album last night, and I can definitely see (with all due respect) how you need a "sense of humor" in order to appreciate it . . . let me put it this way: Dimmu Borgir is now, officially, the absolute "cleanest" and "prettiest" "black" metal I've ever heard . . . I could not make it past track 5 . . . Dimmu Borgir feature: *drum machine sounding percussion* *syrupy strings* *silly, operatic vocals* *cheesy symphonics* I could be mean . . . but let's just say I prefer my metal blacker than that . . . [glow=black,2,300]rawer[/glow] than that ... more EVIL than that... and BETTER than that. I mean, OLD MAN'S CHILD hands down beats Dimmu Borgir into a bloody, sycophantic mess. OMC is both rawer AND far more "technical" at once than Dimmu Borgir seems to ever be capable of . . . *especially* if this "Euphonic Misanthropia" album is to be considered exemplary from their catalogue. I *did* hear that OMC/Borgir early demo split, and their music on that was a TAD better...but I recall still not responding to it that much. I prefer the likes of Darkthrone, Bathory, Mayhem, Burzum, and the like; and I'll take grunting/screaming/unintelligible DeathMetal in the vein of CryptopsY, Decapitated, SuffocatioN, etc any day of the week to the polished silliness of them Borgir freaks. But that's just me. It is now clear to me that you have no clue what you are talking about thorn. Been visiting too many websites I see. Burzum is a ONE MAN BAND That means EVERYTHING IS SYNTHESIZED the man is in prison for murdering Euronymous from Mayhem. He no longer associates himself with Black Metal or heavy metal for that matter and his last two albums are strickly keyboards, nothing else. I also don't buy into this crap of "well they have hit the mainstream now so they suck" shit. AGAIN been reading too many websites I see. Most of the people that say this shit about Dimmu and COF say it because they broke through thorn. They broke through to the mainstream. They have been successful while the others wallow in their crimes in prison. This to me is nothing more than a bunch of poseurs that like to be associated with the CRIMES and the EVIL of the bands, period. They run around saying stupid shit like you just did, I like my Black Metal Evil and raw and blah blah....the eviler the better. Most of them are childlike idiots. I am not much into extreme music myself but I do know pretty much what the whole Norway scene was all about. Mayhem and Emporer bore the damn hell out of me. I am more into a classical sound that is why I like COF and Dimmu Borgir. But my favorite extreme band would have to be Samael. I like OMC because of the Dimmu Borgir influcence. They went in the direction they went in because of Dimmu Borgir. And whats up with this drum machine shit? Are you out of your mind??? |
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 6, 2004 16:32:53 GMT -5
btw Riley, cute change in the name for the board, very original.  |
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Post by ModernDeathTrend on Oct 6, 2004 16:36:07 GMT -5
That "Euphonic Misanthropia" album was artsy as ragfuck, which is why I didn't care for it. The "intro" had me curious -- as it is a very prettified piece of string arrangement, and at first I was drawn aback, thinking this might be the wrong "burnt" disc -- then track 2 begins in all its thunderous, double-bass drum glory, yet I remained unimpressed as it featured far too much of a synthetic feel to it. I would venture to categorize Dimmu Borgir - based on that single album of theirs I listened to partially - as the "Yani" of black metal. Perhaps this is where they've merely ended up; I can not imagine them starting out that way, hailing from Norway. So perhaps older Borgir would do it for me, but to be honest -- I just don't care to look further into them. After being repeatedly assaulted live and in my face with the likes of local underground legends Ibex Throne and The Obliterate Plague at various unsuspecting venues destroyed in their wake, I now see clearly why authentic blackmetal worshippers lump Dimmu into the "MTV-blackmetal" crowd, cuz that's precisely what they sounded like (at least the first 4 tracks). Blackmetal should be ugly, and terrifying, period. I find this particularly funny since OMC went in the same direction as Dimmu Borgir. OMC started out death metal and hated it, they wanted to go in a more melodic sound. If your going to cut up Dimmu Borgir for using the so called artsy shit, then you must not have heard much from OMC since OMC also has songs that feature operatic vocals, classical styled music and synthesizers. Revelation 666- Curse Of Damnation is great example of this. Hell they even have female guest vocals on it and I guess what poseur? The female vocals are operatic. Not only that Galder has played virtually every instrument on each of the OMC albums, that includes keyboards. So where is the artsy tag for this band. Not only does OMC use synthesizers but Burzum's last 2 albums as well. Why? Because the fucker is in prison for murder( stabbed Euronymous 23 times to be exact). Also the reason why Dimmu borgir were accused of being sell-outs because they gave up singing in Norwegian, and started in English so their music can be heard and appreciated by all people. If you knew anything about this at all you would notice that Dimmu Borgir have gotten heavier since their early stuff. Their earlier albums were more atmospheric and ambient. Which is exactly what Burzum tries to be now( probably because the old prison whore can't get any other musicians to play with him). So if Dimmu Borgir is artsy for what they do then you might as well count Burzum and OMC because they all have synthesizers. You and all the other poseurs need tow ake up and smell the blood. Times are changing and it has no need for talentless little fucks who only howl at the moon and play the same old used up riffs that they play for god knows how long. It is stale and needs a wake up call. Thank god we have Dimmu Borgir and Cradle Of Filth here to make music instead of useless noise. |
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 6, 2004 16:47:05 GMT -5
Burzum is a famous Norwegian black metal band which was formed in 1987 by Count Grishnackh (Varg Vikernes, born Kristian Vikernes). Grishnackh, who was the sole member of Burzum during its existence, is currently serving a 21 year sentence for murder and arson. Grishnackh and his project were instrumental in the movements of the black metal inner circle, and Grishnackh later gained great infamy when he murdered Euronymous, the guitarist of the famous band Mayhem. Cover of "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss"Burzum was formed by the then-14-year-old Count Grishnackh (real name Varg Vikernes) in 1987. The band was originally called Uruk-Hai (after the Uruk-Hai orcs of Middle-earth from the works of J. R. R. Tolkien), but the name was later changed to Burzum, which means "darkness" in Tolkien's fictional language, the Black Speech. Burzum shows a strong Tolkien influence in general – for example, the name Count Grishnackh is taken from an orc called Grishnákh in Tolkien's works. Grishnackh has also made references to Tolkien in his early music, with song titles like "En Ring Til Å Herske" (translates to "One Ring To Rule"). More common than Tolkien references, however, are allusions to Norse mythology and pagan beliefs. Much of Burzum's later work focuses on Norse legends, especially his synthieval album Dauði Baldrs (translates to "Baldr's Death") which deals exclusively with the legend of the death of Baldr. Musically, Burzum has progressed from primitive, raw black metal to classical-influenced synthieval music characterized by minimalist tendencies and dark atmospheres. Grishnackh's music has always been characterized by a curiously sedate violence, deeply hypnotic repetition, and simple yet profound song stuctures; this trademark Burzum sound has been present on both Grishnackh's black metal and synthieval albums alike. Image of Varg VikernesCurrently Grishnackh is in prison for the murder of his previous friend and fellow musician Euronymous (of Mayhem), as well as the arson of several Norwegian churches. He is suspected in various other crimes, and was believed to be planning another church burning at the time of his arrest (police found 100 kg of explosives in his home). Grishnackh is a member of the far-right extremist group "Hvit Arisk Motstand" ("White Aryan Resistance") and is head of the "Norsk Hedensk Front" ("Pangermanic Heathen Front"). He has expressed interest in neo-nazism as well. Grishnackh has released two Burzum albums during his prison sentence (Dauði Baldrs and Hliðskjálf); both albums rely only on keyboards and – in Grishnackh's own estimation – are not related to black metal. Also, the Filosofem (1996) album was mixed while Grishnackh was in prison, and he has never heard the final recording which was released. Recently Grishnackh has renounced any connection with black metal and heavy metal music in general.  |
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Post by Nepenthe on Oct 6, 2004 16:56:48 GMT -5
Dimmu Borgir feature:
*drum machine sounding percussion*
I was told by the patient who lent me those 5 discs(incl Old Man's Child)that Dimmu Borgir AND Old Man's Child have Cradle Of Filth's Nicholas Barker on drums these days...the OzzFest reviews I read labelled Dimmu Borgir as 'high concept' with makeup and prostheses...so maybe they need to go more into the 'artsy' in terms of the music they use... Not just that doc, but the guitar player from Dimmu Borgir, Galder, is the singer and use to do all the other instruments except drums for OMC. Now they have a complete band. Galder from Dimmu, does both bands, on vocals and Barker on drums from COF. Barker's no longer with COF or Dimmu just OMC. Oh and they play OMC on mtv's headbangers ball......so by rights they must be sellouts as well now, THORN |
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Post by ModernDeathTrend on Oct 6, 2004 17:20:17 GMT -5
Just thought I would also mention that a major influence on Nick Barker was Dio. Very interesting. LOL
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Post by Proud on Oct 6, 2004 19:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by RocDoc on Oct 9, 2004 14:59:58 GMT -5
 OOOOoooh, I love this disc! Strangely, I'd picked up one of hers at the library a few months back that I didn't really care for...NOW I've gotta find that one again. This ones a 2002 release and I think that it was her latest which I didn't really like... |
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Post by ModernDeathTrend on Oct 9, 2004 16:55:54 GMT -5
 I can't stop listening to this disc. It is definatly on my list of top cds for 2004. Nightwish- Once. |
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Post by ModernDeathTrend on Oct 9, 2004 17:35:39 GMT -5
NP: Romanticide- Nightwish
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Post by pissin2 on Oct 12, 2004 14:12:33 GMT -5
That Dio guy sure is an asshole
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