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Post by Galactus on Feb 21, 2007 18:12:06 GMT -5
RE: The Allman Brothers - The real genius of the Allman Bros. is in the guitar of Duane Allman, They done some really good stuff after brother Duane's passing but nothing truly genius. The obvious place to start is Fillmore East. The absolute peak. You can get Beginings, which is the first two albums on one disc if you want to try a less wanky start but the wank is where it's at with the Allman's. When Duane slides in and starts making his weird cowardly lion face, Barry and the drummers lock in...but not into a stagnant rhythm, The Allmans ain't just hanging back for the gee-tar solo, no sir, they're playing jazz. The whole band becomes a living, breathing monster. You gotta here them live. It's the way it was meant to be.
Fillmore East - The Deluxe Edition or The Fillmore Concerts...there's not a whole ton of difference, they're both taken from the same concerts.
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Post by Fuzznuts on Feb 21, 2007 18:21:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Allman Brothers kill.
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Post by RocDoc on Feb 21, 2007 18:57:35 GMT -5
When Duane slides in and starts making his weird cowardly lion face, Barry and the drummers lock in...but not into a stagnant rhythmThe double drummer thing, even to me, is a bit hit and miss especially when it's straight 4-time unison stuff, like stuffing 4 pounds of shit into a three pound bag. Yes Duane Allman was a genius, BUT the way the Allman Brothers band arranged their songs to make for an unreal framework for some with the incredible talent of, say, a Butch Trucks to improv on.... And then THIS: What kind of 'Old Man' are you?
I'm from the Holzman's 3minute max school of Old Man. Jamming sounds a little too proggy to me Note to self: Dolly's lost every last shred of 'Old Man' credibility with this gesture.
Good lord.
Old men don't fixate on any sort of almighty 3 minute contrivance.
No. We jam! Pretender! Boo! Hiss!  RocDoc, seriously, that has made my day that you like them so much. Now if Ken would just come around on the Kinks my work would be complete... Just give up buddy. Ryo'll tell ya; the man's insaNE.
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Post by strat-0 on Feb 21, 2007 20:20:57 GMT -5
Well, ded summed up much of the Allmans' mother lode very nicely for you, Dolly. There's a young feller that knows what's good. You might want to try an anthology, to get a mixed bag as well as for simplicity's sake. The Best of the Allman Brothers Band: The Millennium Collection (20th Century Masters) is a good grab bag. About all I can add is some random Allmans thoughts.
As I said before, a lot of the Allmans' stuff is downright spiritual for me. I don't think I'm alone in that, either.
As you listen to more, it becomes easier to pick out the Dickey Betts tunes. They are generally more "country" sounding, with simpler yet strong melodies, like the radio-friendly "Ramblin' Man" (not the best the Allmans have to offer, but it does acquaint you with their sound a little). Betts has a lot of talent, even if he is a documented asshole. But the true genius, if it's possible to single it out, is indeed Duane Allman. His guitar work, slide or fretted, electric or acoustic, is utterly inspired. It's hard to believe they were so young when they produced some of those master works, so mature in sound, so emotive in feeling.
They also present such a varied range of styles and sounds, so multi-faceted. Among the "spirituals" to look for:
Dreams - I've already yacked about that one enough.
Jessica - While it's a Betts tune, if this instrumental doesn't make you feel good, check your pulse. Also a good showcase of the Betts/Duane dual guitar lead harmonies, which the band used a lot to very good effect.
Melissa - beautiful
Blue Sky - Another Betts tune; see "Jessica."
Revival - Jazzy, somewhat cerebral, except for the "Love is everywhere" refrain
Down and dirty:
Whippin' Post
Stand Back
Crazy Love
A word should be said about Gregg Allman, too. His writing shouldn't be discounted, and his whiskey voice can send shivers down your spine. He's been singing like that since he was a teen, and it's unreal. Not a bad keyboard player, either.
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Post by Galactus on Feb 21, 2007 21:13:46 GMT -5
I don't mean to take away from the rest band but they were never the same after Duane died. They all followed him...Eat A Peach is great but half that is stuff from the Fillmore, Brothers and Sisters is really good and after that it just gets more and more spotty until Warren Haynes joins. All of the best Allmans stuff is live even of the later periods.
69-73 is the best period any way you look at it. 69-71 being the Duane Allman period and then they picked up Chuck Leavel, who did to a considerably lesser extent the same thing he did for the Stones...and then the band broke up, woo hoo and looks like they will never play again...oh wait no, they got back together in 1979 for the Allman/Betts helmed Enlighten Rouges. Which is pretty hit and miss. From here on out you're better suited with collections and live albums.
Gregg's first solo album Laid Back is also worth checking out and surprisingly 1987's I'm No Angel is a pretty solid effort.
Betts' 1977 album with Great Southern is also quite good.
Tracks I'd recommend in any form-
Jessica
Sweet Melissa
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
One Way Out
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Dreams
Southbound
You Don't Love Me
If you were going to get a compilation I'd suggest The Road Goes On Forever, which covers the band through 1975. If you're going to get into the Allmans that's the period that's going to do it.
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Post by Ryosuke on Feb 21, 2007 22:29:48 GMT -5
Ryo'll tell ya; the man's insaNE. Well I've always maintained that Holzman is evil, not insane, but I guess it's possible for him to be both. However, insanity does not excuse anyone from being evil. |
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Post by RocDoc on Feb 21, 2007 23:33:09 GMT -5
Oops. Sorry Ryo.
Then it wasn't you who said it...but it's common knowledge, being that he gets told that quite often by sundry others.
Along with the 'evil' thing.
Evil = Lawyer... of course..
Honestly if Dolly's truly doctrinaire on the goofy Holzman's 'Law', then nothing is going to get her into the Allmans....but, I wonder if she's heard Natsumen?
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 21, 2007 23:35:24 GMT -5
I love the Allman Brothers Band. Love them. Heart them. Oh man, I listen to them alot.
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Post by Ryosuke on Feb 21, 2007 23:53:28 GMT -5
Honestly if Dolly's truly doctrinaire on the goofy Holzman's 'Law', then nothing is going to get her into the Allmans....but, I wonder if she's heard Natsumen? All cool people listen to Natsumen, and dolly is cool, so I'm sure she does. I'd be shocked otherwise. |
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Post by wayved on Feb 22, 2007 0:28:14 GMT -5
Ded: you left out Whipping Post. Cool list. --you are right all those songs are pretty damn good...
In order to appreciate OLD MAN ROCK in my book (which is nuts and should not be adhered to cos Im not an old man YET) you have to listen to and know:
CREAM-Wheels of Fire (especially the studio album which contained Pressed Rat and Warthog)
SAVOY BROWN--if you can name at least three members of this band you get the tennis visor that says OLD MAN ROCK on it.
If you know what the cover to WHO DO YOU THINK WE ARE by Deep Purple looks like, you get the gold medal for being into Old Man Rock.
If you know who Roy Buchanan is......
Peter Frampton did not always suck. What band(s) was he in before he struck out on his own?
If you have a Supertramp CD or record, yeah. All over. Grow whiskers and eat cheese.
Years back a friend of mine wanted me to watch his house for him feed his cats and walk his dog while he was gone etc--make sure nothing got messed up. Im not talking shit about him here...he was cool...but dude had every SAGA CD known to MAN! Every SUPERTRAMP CD--imports, live you name it! Roger Hodgeson solo CDs. Im kicking myself in the ass for not taping that shit.
WHAT DOES NOT QUALIFY AS OLD MAN ROCK--THIS IS UNIVERSAL:
The Kinks
The Beatles
The Raspberries
These dont count
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Post by wayved on Feb 22, 2007 0:30:04 GMT -5
Ryo-All cool people listen to Guided By Voices.
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Post by Ryosuke on Feb 22, 2007 0:34:08 GMT -5
Really? Damn. I want to be cool. Which album should I listen to first?
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Post by Galactus on Feb 22, 2007 0:35:06 GMT -5
Yeah, The Raspberries would be old lady rock...
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Post by Galactus on Feb 22, 2007 0:36:24 GMT -5
Peter Frampton did not always suck. What band(s) was he in before he struck out on his own?
Humble Pie with Steve Merriott of the Small Faces.
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Post by Paul on Feb 22, 2007 9:20:51 GMT -5
Is BTO old man rock?
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