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Post by Kensterberg on Sept 30, 2005 18:36:27 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I really don't like Zep at all. Plant's high pitched wailing always just aggrevated me. The band could play, but they too often fell into pretentious wankery, and (again) those vocals are worse than a dentist drill. Fucking dinosaurs. Thank god for punk rock.
NP: Talking Heads, Cities (live) (how funky can white folk be? pretty damn funky!)
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Post by ClubberLang on Sept 30, 2005 18:44:21 GMT -5
Clubber -- unfortunately, my dislike for the Doors comes from having to listen to them ... and realizing in my junior year of h.s. that they were nothing special, indeed demonstrably inferior to lots of other bands. No, there isn't much point to responding to my rant, because you're not going to change my opinion of the band. But it's not because I'm stereotyping them, it's because I've actually heard them, and this is my informed opinion on 'em. What do you think of Joy Division, Clubber? I would think that anyone who got into Morrison's gloomier stuff would be absolutely transfixed by JD. Or maybe Ian Curtis is too real for someone enamored of the surface of Jimbo's antics. I'm just curious, as I'm not a Joy Division fan either, but I'd be curious as to what Doors fans think of the artists that Rocky and I brought up. I haven't listened to much Joy Division and the few songs i have heard didn't interest me. I don't like Ian's voice and if if i don't like the singers voice i'm gonna have problems liking them right off the bat. It's probably why i don't like the Pumpkins or U2 very much. But i'm just one Doors fan, i'm sure every other Doors fan is different than i am. It seems as if you're labeling a group of fans just because they like The Doors. My mother loves The Doors, she also loves Bon Jovi so what does that tell ya? As far as when i liked The Doors, it was at about 10 years old when i started spinning all my parents records. I'd listen to The Beatles, Beach Boys, The Platters, The Flamingo's, The Stones, The Band, Billy Joel, The Eagles, all that stuff. It wasn't until i got to ciollege and started reading about the band and listening to bootlegs that i really got into them. Their music seems timeless to me and i think they'd be huge even if they just started right now in the 21st century. They mean a lot to me and basically "got" me into really "hearing" to music instead of just "listening" to it. I don't think i've personally attacked you yet but if i do it's just because when you bash The Doors you are basically bashing me and my love of music and why i love it. It's not like we're talking about Creed or Foreigner here, it's the fucking Doors. Bad-ass mother-fuckers. And if you respect my musical opinon whatsoever then maybe you can respect The Doors just a bit more than you do now(which is nil). |
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Post by ClubberLang on Sept 30, 2005 18:46:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I really don't like Zep at all. Plant's high pitched wailing always just aggrevated me. The band could play, but they too often fell into pretentious wankery, and (again) those vocals are worse than a dentist drill. Fucking dinosaurs. Thank god for punk rock. NP: Talking Heads, Cities (live) (how funky can white folk be? pretty damn funky!) Can you post some of your favorite bands just so i can pick out ONE that we both like. Cause this is gonna get ugly if you don't put out the fire pretty soon. |
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Post by RocDoc on Sept 30, 2005 19:42:08 GMT -5
Well, yeah, as a synonym 'fount' essentially means the same thing...but the usage (within that phrase) which I was most accustomed to seeing is with this word: font PRONUNCIATION: fnt NOUN: 1. A basin for holding baptismal water in a church. 2. A receptacle for holy water; a stoup. 3. The oil reservoir in an oil-burning lamp. 4. An abundant source; a fount: She was a font of wisdom and good sense. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin fns, font-, from Latin, fountain. OTHER FORMS: fontal (fntl) —ADJECTIVE Though you're saying you're a 'spurting source' whereas I'm saying the common usage (or one of them)is of a 'reservoir' like they state here. Bottom line, we're both right. ~ I don't think i've personally attacked you yet but if i do it's just because when you bash The Doors you are basically bashing me and my love of music and why i love it.Now this feeling I can certainly understand (and basically I'll reword what I said regarding JAC's flatout rejection of my defense of that INXS Rockstar concert show) because however you may try to intellectualize it away, that, 'No, no-one is being 'personal' when they say they cannot stand something you really enjoy. Gee, don't walk away hurt', there's definitely a rejection and refutation of the point of view of the person being told 'No. They suck.' Clubber, just do what I do; tell yourself 'Y'know, fuck (insert name here) anyway. WTF does he know? Fucking weirdo.' ;D BTW Zeppelin AND the Doors fucking ROCK. How Many More Times on the 'Won The West' album. If they don't understand THAT, then they don't like or know rock and roll. The Clash.
What sort of pretension does it take to even name yourself that? C'mon.
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Post by ClubberLang on Sept 30, 2005 19:49:46 GMT -5
Well, yeah, as a synonym 'fount' essentially means the same thing...but the usage (within that phrase) which I was most accustomed to seeing is with this word: font PRONUNCIATION: fnt NOUN: 1. A basin for holding baptismal water in a church. 2. A receptacle for holy water; a stoup. 3. The oil reservoir in an oil-burning lamp. 4. An abundant source; a fount: She was a font of wisdom and good sense. ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin fns, font-, from Latin, fountain. OTHER FORMS: fontal (fntl) —ADJECTIVE Though you're saying you're a 'spurting source' whereas I'm saying the common usage (or one of them)is of a 'reservoir' like they state here. Bottom line, we're both right. ~ I don't think i've personally attacked you yet but if i do it's just because when you bash The Doors you are basically bashing me and my love of music and why i love it.Now this feeling I can certainly understand (and basically I'll reword what I said regarding JAC's flatout rejection of my defense of that INXS Rockstar concert show) because however you may try to intellectualize it away, that, 'No, no-one is being 'personal' when they say they cannot stand something you really enjoy. Gee, don't walk away hurt', there's definitely a rejection and refutation of the point of view of the person being told 'No. They suck.' Clubber, just do what I do; tell yourself 'Y'know, fuck (insert name here) anyway. WTF does he know? Fucking weirdo.' ;D BTW Zeppelin AND the Doors fucking ROCK. How Many More Times on the 'Won The West' album. If they don't understand THAT, then they don't like or know rock and roll. The Clash.
What sort of pretension does it take to even name yourself that? C'mon.
Pah. if it was a poster that i didn't like and respect it would be much easier, but i like Ken and can't bring myslef to do that. He's pushing some buttons though and sooner or later i'm gonna attack. We're just on opposite sides of the globe as far as music goes. he likes his artsy fartsy and more indie stuff. I like "arty" bands too but more along the lines of Tool(i'd even consider a lot of The Doors stuff artsy). We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on the music stuff. |
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Post by strat-0 on Sept 30, 2005 20:54:15 GMT -5
I concur with Ken's assessment of the Doors, but I still like LA Woman and a few others! [minus the "Mr. Mojo risin'" interlude - I have even edited that part out of mix tapes] Can't go along with the Zep assessment, though. While I can agree that Plant's voice can be overbearing at times, man, the other three more than made up for it! Especially Page! Major pillars of rock for decades! [ On my list, buddy! ...On ...my ...list.]
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Post by ClubberLang on Sept 30, 2005 21:11:19 GMT -5
I concur with Ken's assessment of the Doors, but I still like LA Woman and a few others! [minus the "Mr. Mojo risin'" interlude - I have even edited that part out of mix tapes] Can't go along with the Zep assessment, though. While I can agree that Plant's voice can be overbearing at times, man, the other three more than made up for it! Especially Page! Major pillars of rock for decades! [ On my list, buddy! ...On ...my ...list.] I think the "Mojorisin" part is genius. The "rising! rising!" part into the Krieger solo is just awesome. Plus the fact that Jim turned his full name into such a cool line makes me smile. |
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Post by strat-0 on Sept 30, 2005 21:23:05 GMT -5
The "rising! rising!" part into the Krieger solo is just awesome. Yeah, I faded it back in in time for that. Plus the fact that Jim turned his full name into such a cool line makes me smile. What do you call those things, again?
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Post by ClubberLang on Sept 30, 2005 21:31:36 GMT -5
The "rising! rising!" part into the Krieger solo is just awesome. Yeah, I faded it back in in time for that. Plus the fact that Jim turned his full name into such a cool line makes me smile. What do you call those things, again? i forget, I have a BA in journalism, not english. Us "journalists" don't require that knowledge, we're bascally morons with bullshit degrees |
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Post by maarts on Oct 1, 2005 4:28:01 GMT -5
Anagram, gentlemen.
Jim Morrison= Mr Mojo Risin.
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Post by ScottsyII on Oct 1, 2005 11:10:26 GMT -5
I can't take the whole "mojo" thing seriously anymore since the second Austin Powers movie...
I guess it also shows how completely removed from that era in Western culture I am... and how it has such little relevance for me...
I think that's basically why I don't listen to alot of the "classics" that every supposed "music lover" is supposed to listen to... I feel like I need to have a connection with the sort of culture it was created in, and for some reason, 60's culture just sorta leaves me cold... I can connect with other decades, but the stuff from the 60's is just some vague distant understanding of something that meant alot to someone else... and hence possibly my lack of connection with the Doors...
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 1, 2005 11:58:05 GMT -5
Scottsy makes an excellent point. If there isn't a connection between you, the listener, and the artist in question, you're not gonna love it. You may be able to appreciate the technical aspects (I can admire and respect Led Zep as players) but that's gonna be it (but Led Zep just leaves me cold: same thing with Hendrix). And rock and roll is very much a cultural creation, something where it's hard to love a band (or sometimes even to like a band) if you don't understand and relate to the scene that created them. I know that this is part of why I fell in love with punk, and a large part of why I don't relate to Zep or Hendrix (or the Dead). And after Austin Powers, it is hard to take a good chunk of '60's culture at all seriously. Of course I don't understand how anyone could listen to Morrison's babblings with a straight face anyway. |
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Post by RocDoc on Oct 1, 2005 12:43:53 GMT -5
The drugs, Ken.
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It boggles a bit being reminded again that you've got huge appreciation and enjoyment of the great Stevie Ray Vaughan and also of Mato Nanji, and then not have realized somehow the utter disciple-hood which both of these guitarists serve to Jimi Hendrix.
Or perhaps having realized this, you still find zero connection to 'Him'.
Especially considering the over-riding emotionality of Hendrix' music to me (and to SRV and Nanji and Trower and Frank Marino and countless otheres mining that vein) is irresistable.
I am SURE that 'He' was the 'pull' which SRV needed to do his music.
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Post by RocDoc on Oct 1, 2005 12:45:18 GMT -5
...and in reading your lead out Who quote there, Pete Townshend also was a huge Jimi fan.
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Post by Kensterberg on Oct 1, 2005 12:52:50 GMT -5
RocDoc -- I know that SRV loved Jimi, and I love his covers of Jimi's stuff. But when I listen to the originals, I'm just not moved. Hendrix just doesn't have a personal connection with me. I'd rank him as one of the most influential performers ever, sure, but in terms of who I want to listen to, he just doesn't register for me. Unlike the Doors, I can understand why people love Hendrix, but I just don't feel that way.
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