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Post by Thorngrub on Dec 20, 2005 12:41:14 GMT -5
Maybe I'll dust it off & give it a lazy spin, then.
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Post by luke on Dec 20, 2005 12:50:17 GMT -5
Radiohead are, in my mind, the greatest band of their generation Lose Pablo Honey, Kid A, and Amnesiac, and you're maybe right. But until you master the art of travelling through space and time, kicking in studio doors and punching out producers... TOOL fucking owns their asses. |
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Post by riley on Dec 20, 2005 12:59:38 GMT -5
true story
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Dec 20, 2005 13:27:33 GMT -5
Oh, god, Jesus, that's a terrible argument. At one point, you all voted for Margaret Thatcher as well.
Pablo Honey, I can go with because there are some pure pop moments on there that are pretty good. I have a particular fondness for "The Bends", but it has been spun way too much in my life. "OK Computer" is a good album, I just get sick of it, much like "Dark Side of the Moon". You could almost rename this board, "which two of these overplayed monsters do you prefer, should you run out of anything in your collection to listen to and these were the last two to chose from".
The deal with "Kid A" is that, while I commend them for trying something different, they failed at it miserably. Ripping off Brian Eno, some obscure electro artists, and singing backwards doesn't make you a genius. If done right, yes, but this just feels like, "hey we're Radiohead and we can do anything and we're betting that you'll be stupid enough to buy it".
"Amnesiac" is just awful.
"Hail To The Theif" feels like a band on a snoozer trying to make songs sound like what would be their greatest hits.
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Jan 7, 2006 5:24:50 GMT -5
You're all mad. All of you. Except for the bit about the evil Thatcher (may she burrrrrnnnnn). And I certainly didn't vote for the whey-faced tit witch.
Kid A and Amnesiac are inconsistent, but the highs are incredible and you can make a top 'album' as good as OKC with a little 'best of' mix of the two. Plus I commend their bravery.
Having said that, I love TOOL just as much as you boys, so I'm not going to spit my dummy.
I will point out though that Opiate is enjoyable juvenilia, much like the best bits of Pablo Honey, while Undertow sounds limited, relatively unambitious and slightly overplayed these days. I'll rarely spin Undertow now, much as I loved it back in the 90's.
So:
Opiate > Pablo Honey
Undertow < Bends
Aenima = OK Computer (my top 2 albums of all time)
Lateralus = Kid A/Amnesiac
Leaving a tie, except Radiohead also have the magnificent Hail to the Thief left spare, since TOOL are lazy bastards. One up to the Brits, I reckon. ;P
Hail to the Thief is so underrated it's just criminal. It contains many of their best songs. Classic tracks include "A Wolf at the Door", "Scatterbrain", "Where I End and You Begin", "There There" and "Sail to the Moon". I would back those against everything else in their discography, but there's really not a bad track on the album, unless you're offended by the synthy glitchery of "The Gloaming" and "Backdrifting".
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Post by kmc on Jan 7, 2006 8:55:07 GMT -5
Jesus is right.
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Post by kmc on Jan 7, 2006 8:56:10 GMT -5
Darkside, incidentally, not as good as Meddle, Animals, or Wish You Were Here...but that's not saying much. WYWH is 1000 times better than anything in the Floyd discography.
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Post by melon1 on Jan 10, 2006 15:15:21 GMT -5
Not
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Post by Rit on Jan 10, 2006 15:20:48 GMT -5
somehow..someway... somewhere... all the bands mentioned on this page go together.. Tool, Radiohead and Pink Floyd.
all three seem part of the same cloth. the fandom that embraces one, is likely to be the same culprit who embraces the other two, from one person to the next.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 10, 2006 16:46:42 GMT -5
One stretch farther to the left & grab onto korn, bitches.
JLLM has nailed the radiohead/tool mystique perfectly.
Well done, lad *golf claps*
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Post by kmc on Jan 10, 2006 20:44:52 GMT -5
See, Rit, I have a problem with that blanket statement, if only because I can no longer stand Pink Floyd, but love Radiohead and admire TOOL. My problem is with the lack of restraint in Pink Floyd. I know that all the bands deal with heavy ideas and are ambitious in production. However, Floyd seems to me to go beyond plain ambition and into the general realm of wankery. But maybe it's just me.
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Post by kmc on Jan 10, 2006 20:45:48 GMT -5
And, uhmm, OK Computer is MUCH better than DSOTM. Really, if you disagree, just listen to the albums again.
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Post by kmc on Jan 10, 2006 20:46:13 GMT -5
The Bends is better than DSOTM too, as are Kid A and Amnesiac.
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Post by Rit on Jan 10, 2006 21:02:17 GMT -5
Thorn's likely to blow a fuse at that comment, kMc, but i basically agree. i still voted for DSoTM though. It really is a great album, although i've tended to forget that over the years. OK Computer is great, but it's a bit on the paranoid edge. Dark Side is some kind of humanist statement, however flawed. And musically, it's firing on most cylinders.
getting back to the generalizations, you picked out the pertinent link... production values. Heavy ideas not so much, although all the bands do love to be murky and ponderous. Radiohead revel in being obscure, as do the Floyd, and Tool i presume. I've personally never liked it when a band revels in obscure pronouncements and mystical airs, but none of these bands do it to the ham-fisted degree that some metal bands can go to.. Those are the real enemy.
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Post by kmc on Jan 10, 2006 22:00:29 GMT -5
yeah, heady ideas not so much, but you were dead on on the murky deal.
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