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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:16:21 GMT -5
Ken & Rocky are both negligent for my Tweedy obsession. I really should send them a thank you note at christmas.
I think one can kind of figure out what the YHF lyrics are about, but I can just feel what the lyrics are about on that album - as cheesy as that may sound.
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 21:18:23 GMT -5
Which songs do you think have crap lyrics on YHF? I'd certainly say that a couple of them aren't as great as some others (I would never argue that "Pot Kettle Black" or "Kamera" are as solid lyrically as "Ashes of American Flags" or "Poor Places", but I wouldn't say they're bad at all). On YHF there's a whole lot more abstraction in the lyrics than in earlier efforts, so sometimes its a little tough to tell if the meaning is just so dense that it's hard to understand, or if perhaps it's just completely meaningless, but there's nothing on there that makes me cringe the way that certain lines on A.M. do. Maybe I'm giving him a little too much credit for abstraction rather than just meaninglessness, I don't know. Alot of bands that use abstract lyrics still seem to almost have a meaning but alot of the songs on YHF (I'm Trying To Break Your Heart & I'm The Man Who Love You for example) just sound like he couldn't think of any better lyrics...to me anyway. There aren't too many that are cringeworthy but only a few of them have "good" lyrics. It just strikes me as the album with the worst lyrics. You really think the lyrics on YHF are worse than those on AM? For real? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. I can see where you're coming from on "I'm the Man Who Loves You", but the lyrics of "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" are just this great stream of consciousness thing that I think you could probably come up with meaning to for just about forever...well, I could anyway. With the right substances at least. I really like that one. |
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 21:18:54 GMT -5
Ken & Rocky are both negligent for my Tweedy obsession. I really should send them a thank you note at christmas. We're negligent? Do we have some responsibilities that we haven't been attending to? If so, my sincere apologies.  |
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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:21:21 GMT -5
Ken & Rocky are both negligent for my Tweedy obsession. I really should send them a thank you note at christmas. We're negligent? Do we have some responsibilities that we haven't been attending to? If so, my sincere apologies. Well, if Tweedy betrays me in the future and I go crazy, let's just say I'll leave a paper trail leading to you guys. |
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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:27:22 GMT -5
We really need like a good 4 disc YHF mega box set release. I wonder how much material is sitting around that isn't either on the album or either of the 2 demo releases? You can make a incredible album out of the "extras" of the era.
A Magazine Called Sunset
Bob Dylan's 49th Beard
Alone (Shakin' Sugar)
Cars Can't Escape
The Good Part
Let Me Come Home
Nothing Up My Sleeve
Never Let You Down
Venus Stop the Train
Not For the Season
More Like the Moon
Woodgrain
Corduroy Cutoff Girl [how did this become "Radio Cure"?]
Handshake Drugs [did see release on AGIB]
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Post by frag on Feb 27, 2006 21:30:12 GMT -5
A paper trail leading to insanity...sounds intriguing.
Even with Tweedy's sometimes sophomoric lyrics, there's always something else going on there, I've found. His chord progressions and the songs structures sometimes follow a similar pattern, in that they're overly simplistic. And that is where Tweedy's real talent lies, I think. He's generally saying something very simple, but he does it with complexity.
In "I'm the man who loves you," for example, the chorus is lyrically, very straight-forward. But the verses imply, for me at least, that he can think of nothing. So all he can do is hold her hand to show her, but he can't because he wants to say something. But, there again, he has nothing to say. I always found that lyrical style to be very poetic. Much deeper than it seems, I guess.
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Post by Galactus on Feb 27, 2006 21:33:01 GMT -5
I have a buttload of odds and sods...I'll try to put together a disc or two and YSI it for anyone who might be interested.
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 21:43:32 GMT -5
A Magazine Called Sunset Bob Dylan's 49th Beard More Like the Moon Woodgrain Corduroy Cutoff Girl [how did this become "Radio Cure"?] Handshake Drugs [did see release on AGIB] Good thing that "Corduroy Cutoff Girl" did evolve, because "Radio Cure" is a heck of a lot better. "Corduroy Cutoff Girl" is a fun listen, but I think if not for the fact that we already know "Radio Cure" so well, "Corduroy Cutoff Girl" would sort of be a dumb song, rather than the cool alternate take it is. And a few of those other ones aren't really YHF leftovers. That EP is half YHF leftovers and half new songs that they were working on, post-YHF. |
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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:46:53 GMT -5
Well, I needed to reach to have enough for a full album. I'd toss the EP stuff to the side except for "A Magazine Called Sunset" and "Bob Dylan's 49th Beard".
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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:52:08 GMT -5
See Rocky, I'm not the only person who realizes that song's greatness  |
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 21:57:48 GMT -5
As best as I can tell, this is an exhaustive list of songs that Wilco has done (originals only) that haven't shown up on any proper studio releases (so this covers b-sides, internet-only releases, soundtracks, songs that were demoed but not released, as well as a few that they did live but never recorded, and the Wilco Book stuff too, even though I guess some of those are barely really songs, and I guess you could call that an official CD release; also a few songs that Tweedy has performed solo, but Wilco has never done, and not including anything that ended up on Loose Fur or Golden Smog albums):
A.M./Being There era:
Childlike and Evergreen
Blasting Fonda
Promising
Don't Honey Me (worst song in Wilco's history, by the way)
Let's Hear It for Rock and Roll
Mermaid Avenue outtakes and leftovers:
Greenback Dollar
Ain't Gonna Grieve My Lord No More
My Thirty Thousand
Bugeye Jim
When the Roses Bloom Again
Summerteeth era:
Tried and True (evolved into the title track from the album)
Student Loan Stereo
YHF/AGIB era:
Alone (Shakin' Sugar)
Rhythm (Cars Can't Escape)
Venus Stop the Train
Nothing Up My Sleeve
Won't Let You Down
Let Me Come Home
Corduroy Cutoff Girl (evolved into Radio Cure)
whatever the other instrumental from the demos was
No More Poetry (is this the right era for this one?)
The Good Part
Old Maid
Just a Kid
Woodgrain
A Magazine Called Sunset
Bob Dylan's 49th Beard
More Like the Moon
A Long Time Ago (this may be on the upcoming Golden Smog release though)
Pure Bug Beauty
This is New
Diamond Claw
What Good am I
Here Comes Everybody
The High Heat
Doubt
Barnyard Pimp
Rottnest
Hamami
Panthers (Proving Death Again)
Kicking Television
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Post by Weeping_Guitar on Feb 27, 2006 21:58:19 GMT -5
01. Poor Places / Reservations
02. At Least That's What You Said
03. Misunderstood
04. Jesus, etc.
05. Radio Cure
06. Pieoholden Suite
07. Venus Stop the Train
08. Via Chicago
09. Company in My Back
10. Sunken Treasue
Too small of a list also include the Mermaid tracks, so I'll make a whole seperate list of the top 10 from those records by everyone.
01. California Stars
02. At My Window Sad and Lonely
03. She Came Along to Me
04. Birds and Ships
05. Remember the Mountain Bed
06. Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key
07. Ingrid Bergman
08. Airline to Heaven
09. Walt Whitman's Niece
10. Another Man's Done Gone
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 22:00:23 GMT -5
See Rocky, I'm not the only person who realizes that song's greatness I assume Frag just included that to yank your chain, weeping. |
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 27, 2006 22:01:47 GMT -5
04. Birds and Ships 06. Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key "Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key" is very underrated. I love that one. But that's more of a Bragg tune then a Wilco one. Nice to see it on your list though. "Bird and Ships" is probably the worst song on the first MA album. |
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Post by achn2b on Feb 27, 2006 23:28:18 GMT -5
i can't pick a favorite Wilco album. in my book, they're all equal, and i just can't put one underneath the other, because that would mean i don't like it as much, and that just ain't so.
almost the same with individual songs. can't narrow it down to a list of ten, because the next ten i love just as much. but here's a list of ten for today.
misunderstood
the lonely 1
monday
blue eyed soul
remember the mountain bed
one by one
at least that's what you said
via chicago
not for the season
i got you
now just looking at that list you'd get the impression that i don't like YHF. but i do, i love it.
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