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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Apr 14, 2006 11:02:45 GMT -5
Whiter? Dude, while that may be true of Page and Plant it is not true of Jones/Bonham. That is the most sampled rhythem section in hip hop and man could those guys groove just as good as a Motown rhythem section.
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:11:19 GMT -5
Fair enough. I'm just really tired of blues based classic rock being the reference point for influential. Peart and Lee evolved in the matter of like three albums to the point where they had taken that groove based rhythm template and flipped it into something even a relatively primitive progressive band like Zep couldn't fathom.
By the time 1976 rolled around, Rush were releasing 2112 and completely fucking with standard timings and structures. Zeppelin were still jamming blues riffs.
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:15:32 GMT -5
How is it that Lee takes so much heat for the early catalogue high vocal style, yet it's only every so ofetn someone mentions how high and ridiculous Plant sounded on tracks like "Immigrant Song", "Ramble On" and "The Lemon Song".
Plus has anyone ever looked at what fucking lame song titles those guys had. There's actually an unreleased b-side being released by Zep later this year called "Rileydog's Sleeping Because We Bored The Fuck Out of Him with Our Staple Riffing and Half Arsed Song Titles"
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Post by Galactus on Apr 14, 2006 11:21:50 GMT -5
Dude, I love Zeppelin I really do, Robert Plant is a terrible singer...great frontman, terrible singer...
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:29:00 GMT -5
Zeppelin is a great band when you're a kid and you need something to springboard you into all the great music they influenced, that's actually better than them. Rush could almost file into a similar category except a good chunk of their catalogue holds up way better than any of Zep's. Moving Pictures kicks the shit out of Zep's whole body of work. Would Zep have ever made their Moving Pictures if they were still together? I don't think so, because even at their demise they were lagging way behind Rush's progress.
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Post by Paul on Apr 14, 2006 11:31:48 GMT -5
All this Rush talk got me thinking that I should perhaps revisit a few of their albums...
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:32:37 GMT -5
While I'm ranting, a rational Rush fan (a category I like to think I fall into) will also admit there's a good chunk of their disography that doesn't hold up so well and files just as easily into retroism and even filler on occasion. The first three albums have equal doses of cheese intermingled with the brilliance. Some of their mid 80's into 90's stuff is respefctable but forgettable.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 14, 2006 11:32:38 GMT -5
How is it that Lee takes so much heat for the early catalogue high vocal style, yet it's only every so ofetn someone mentions how high and ridiculous Plant sounded on tracks like "Immigrant Song", "Ramble On" and "The Lemon Song". Plus has anyone ever looked at what fucking lame song titles those guys had. There's actually an unreleased b-side being released by Zep later this year called "Rileydog's Sleeping Because We Bored The Fuck Out of Him with Our Staple Riffing and Half Arsed Song Titles" I just want to note that every single time I have bitched about Led Zeppelin, I have complained about Page's singularly annoying high pitched squeals. And the big reason that I voted for Rush here is that Geddy Lee was able to largely put aside his earlier Plant-influenced wailing in favor of actually singing, beginning with permanent waves. Also, in terms of influential ... yeah, Zeppelin influenced every metal band on the planet - is that necessarily a good thing? Doesn't having to account for bands like White Snake pretty much tilt the ledger towards crap? And like 'em or not, Rush were one of the few (only?) seventies metallic bands to really incorporate the new sounds of the early eighties into their music. The effects and synths of Tom Sawyer presaged a different way of constructing rock music, one that (like punk) largely ditched the r&b foundations of the sixties in favor of its own unique beat and sensibility. As much as I've slammed Geddy Lee, he's a far better singer than Plant, and an amazing bass player (from a technical standpoint anyway). Fuck, I'm beginning to sound like a goddamn Canuck! Next thing you know, I'll be asking Riley or Drum to send me a copy of Moving Pictures ... or maybe I can find it in the used bin ... I'll be sure to wear a hat and sunglasses so no one will recognize me. Damn you Rileydog! You and Drum now have me writing defenses of Rush! Goes to show just how much I hate Led Zeppelin ... |
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:34:28 GMT -5
All this Rush talk got me thinking that I should perhaps revisit a few of their albums...    ;D |
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:36:21 GMT -5
Good post Ken. Only thing is you won't find any Rush albums in used bins, because anyone who has ever bought them has never sold them or given them away and still own their originals.
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Post by Galactus on Apr 14, 2006 11:38:30 GMT -5
I have them all on LP here in the store I'll make you a good deal on them.
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 11:43:13 GMT -5
Those must be your own copies eh? Or they're stolen. Only explanation.
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Post by rockysigman on Apr 14, 2006 12:14:02 GMT -5
Ken seems confused about who sang in Led Zeppelin.
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Post by Kensterberg on Apr 14, 2006 12:20:27 GMT -5
Ken seems confused about who sang in Led Zeppelin. Oh really, go back and check out my post now ... ;D I gotta start proofing these things more closely ... too many Bowiglouisms popping up ... who knew that those just started of their own accord once you got over forty?  |
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Post by riley on Apr 14, 2006 12:22:26 GMT -5
I didn't have the heart to point it out. Plus I figured it would just lead to me highlighting how Lifeson is ten times better than Page as a guitarist.
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