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Post by rockkid on Mar 12, 2006 13:12:49 GMT -5
I’m not anti abortion. What I am anti is the use of abortion purely as a form of birth control.
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Post by Mary on Mar 12, 2006 14:18:40 GMT -5
Just a question -- for those who say they aren't totally against all abortions, but don't like the use of them as a cover for irresponsibility -
I'm wondering if you could expand a bit on what you take to be irresponsibility. Is it any circumstance outside of rape in which a woman becomes involuntarily pregnant? I'm wondering about situations like condoms breaking or other forms of birth control failing.... is that an example of irresponsibility?
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Post by maarts on Mar 12, 2006 14:42:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it 'irresponsible' if a condom breaks. Accidental more likely. At least birth control was in effect which indicates some form of responsability.
But to answer the question, for me it is the same unwanted pregnancy.
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Post by chrisfan on Mar 12, 2006 15:48:48 GMT -5
Great question Mary - and hard one to answer. It is hard for me to pinpoint examples of abortion that I consider to be fine - it's truly a case by case basis. I can think of enough examples (rape and incest being the most obvious - but not exclusive) that make me believe that the law should not forbid the option of abortion. But at the same time, I think that we MUST recognize that if abortion is a right, then it comes with responsibilities. That responsibility entails doing whatever is necessary to prevent the need for abortion in the first place. I'm typing this fully aware of just how much of a non-answer it is, which is why I'm going to think it over and try to put it in better terms. But in short, I think we need much more focus on the responsibility. Using the "the condom broke" example as a place to expand from - I think it's fair for th sake of debate to ask why a condom was being depended on as the sole protection in the first place. We all know the odds of various forms of birth control. I think that often times, from a rhetorical standpoint, we attempt to forget that and pretend that they're all 100% effective.
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Mar 12, 2006 18:06:26 GMT -5
Im not a woman so I dont know what its like--I am personally against abortion if its just because of irresponsibility--that its gonna cramp your style or what have you. I hate that frame of mind. I know people like that--Oh shit--Im pregnant--9 o clock appointment!
A woman wo becomes pregnant because she was irresponsible, thats an ideal candidate for a parent, yes?
If having a child is going to cramp your lifestyle, then hell yeah, don't have a child. You can't foce responsibility on anyone.
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Post by chrisfan on Mar 12, 2006 19:53:11 GMT -5
Going back to a previous discussion on this thread, did anyone else see Leslie Stahl's report on 60 Minutes tonight about scientific research to determine what makes people gay? Or if you're on the west coast ... say in Berkley ... and it's not on yet, will you watch it? I'm watching the report right now - which is primarily about a doctor who is trying to find genetic indicators of homosexuality (having a hard time finding it given the prominence of identical twins who are one gay one straight). He's got all these factors that he says indicate a higher chance - having lots of older brothers ... but only if you're right handed (or something like that) etc. The whole thing was interesting enough for me to keep watching, but absurd enough to wonder what exactly the guy was trying for. Anyway, thought I'd mention it.
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Post by wayved on Mar 12, 2006 22:18:36 GMT -5
Layla. you are right, you cant make a person be "responsible"--thats true. And if mom or possible dad the who decided to abort due to conveinience thats fine too. She may make a sorry ass mom. But I have seen that and "sorry ass parent" thing too--in my own family--but I HELPED RAISE those kids! Alot of people did! They are turning out great (due to their own minds developing, but my just being there may help) and their biological mother has taken amazing strides--she is so good now--but at first she did not know what to do. They are both are funny and smart and caring. They are gonna turn out great and can do anything they put their minds to.
But cmon! Human life! Laws? You dont pay your bills, you dont pay your taxes....All I can say is you are right. There are too many variables involved-if the child is in a home waiting to be adopted etc...but thats digging in the nihlism sandlot....I have friends that have been trying to have children and they cant. I have friends that say its wrong to reproduce. And I have been close with women who have had the procedure done to them and they really werent happy with their lives--"what could have been" BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER HALF THAT MADE THIS HAPPEN TOO? They are probably the blame for at least 70 percent of them...Just look at Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Shit if someone hit my car and they didnt have insurance I would be pissed as fuck. Or if someone broke the window to where you lived and stole all your stuff. Its all good then? And the crook was never caught? Responsibility. Thats just me being irrational. Yeah. Look at any little kid. Usually they are either crying cos they didnt get their way or laughing with joy. I think life is beautiful no matter how painful confusing and hurtful it can be.
Too many variables involved. No one really has the answer.
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Post by luke on Mar 12, 2006 22:49:01 GMT -5
I really want a vasectomy, but I've always taken such pride in my massive loads that I just don't know if I can bring myself to do it. Seriously, my piece may not be up to porn standards, but I can shoot with the best of'em. I dunno if I could bring myself to do away with that.
So for now, that birth control better keep doing its job...
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 12, 2006 22:53:30 GMT -5
I really want a vasectomy, but I've always taken such pride in my massive loads that I just don't know if I can bring myself to do it. Seriously, my piece may not be up to porn standards, but I can shoot with the best of'em. I dunno if I could bring myself to do away with that. So for now, that birth control better keep doing its job... What makes you so sure that your loads are of an exceptional size? Have you measured? Or are you just eyeballing it? It's time to get off the internet when I'm asking questions about Luke's blown wad. |
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Post by wayved on Mar 12, 2006 23:08:42 GMT -5
AMEN rocky. AMEN.
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Post by wayved on Mar 12, 2006 23:10:26 GMT -5
LMAFBAO
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Post by shin on Mar 12, 2006 23:18:17 GMT -5
I think the last thing this world needs is more unwanted people.
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Post by rockysigman on Mar 12, 2006 23:21:54 GMT -5
What does the B stand for? |
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Mar 12, 2006 23:22:35 GMT -5
Wayved, there is no right answer, thats for friggin sure. My own personal take on it is just that, however you got knocked up, whatever you did or did not do to prevent it - I could really care less about that shit. If you are not ready to have a child, you're NOT READY & you shouldn't be having a child. Emotionally, financially, if you can't handle it, you have no business being a parent.
If you don't feel that you can provide for a child to the best of your abilities, with every resource at your disposal, why have that child? Its not fair to deny a foetus the potential to life, I know that. How fair is it to having a child when you are ill-prepared & badly-equipped to raise it? Simply giving a human being life is NOT the be-all & end-all of being a parent - children should be entitled to FAR more than what many are given.
I see more people giving a shit about shutting down abortion clinics than providing vaccines for Third World countries. Talk about thinking in the best interests of a child, huh?
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Mar 12, 2006 23:23:40 GMT -5
It's time to get off the internet when I'm asking questions about Luke's blown wad
Funny though, that you jumped in so quick to ask dude...
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