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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:07:12 GMT -5
Just kidding, actually I don't answer the door when they knock, and kinda look the other way when they ride by on their wittle bikes.
How longs it been now JAC since you recommited to Christ (or are you a bona-fide born again?) I recall on RS.COM boards when you started posting about your religious beliefs.
The JAC I recall was a vewy naughty poster...
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Post by kmc on Nov 26, 2005 19:07:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that your input was not valued. But come on, now. Is it really necessary that you use words like "fantasy" to describe the cherished beliefs of those with whom you are discussing these things? Is your sense of common courtesy so rank that you don't see any reason to refrain from using such terms when you HAVE to know that they will be taken badly by those who do not share your viewpoints? Once again, I apologize for how I failed to communicate what I felt in regards to your comment. Let me try again: I am deeply offended that you would choose to describe the concept of "Salvation" as a "fantasy". This "fantasy", as you call it, is something that means more to me than you will ever know, so hopefully I will be excused for taking offense at your pithy dismissal of it. I have kept my own personal opinions of the value of MY UNDERSTANDING OF HUMANISM to myself, and I had expected a similar consideration on your behalf. Obviously there are some differences between YOUR understanding of what the term Humanism implies and what I have come to understand about it. I have already expressed a desire to avoid discussing SEMANTICS. But many of the ideals and goals that you are positing as "humanistic" are no different than the ideals and goals I have championed as a Christian. That is very well, and I am sorry if the fantasy referral offended you. I'll refrain. But as far as humanism, it isn't a matter of chicken or the egg at all. Humanist philosophy predates the birth of Chirst, as does most of the philosophy Christ espoused. Still, whatever. I am not here to debunk anyone's faith or love for Jesus. I'd rather discuss the philosophy than the details behind any specific set of denominational beliefs. |
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 19:07:31 GMT -5
The last time a couple of Mormon missionaries came to my door, I politely told them I was an Orthodox Christian and that I wasn't interested in discussing religion with them. They were pretty cool about it and left. But before they had gone 20 yards down the road I regretted dismissing them in that manner and so I stepped outside and called them back in.
We sat and talked for probably 30 minutes and I had an opportunity to share with them what I believed to be some errors in Mormon doctrine...I had just read Jon Krakauer's Under The Banner of Heaven and so the differences in our respective belief systems were still fresh in my mind.
It was an interesting exchange, and I can only wonder what they got out of it, because I guarantee they got much more of a dose of MY sharing my faith with them than they were able to present Mormonism to me.
I have a lot of respect for Mormons, even though I think that what they believe falls far outside of the pale of Orthodox Christianity.
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 26, 2005 19:18:19 GMT -5
Actually, I have never had a problem with the Mormons. They seem pretty cool and aren't really really pushy. One of my best friends in highschool was from a Mormon family.
I am not that familar with their basic beliefs, but I do agree with them about some of their theories about some of the Native American tribes. Don't know all that much about it though, only bits and pieces. I would have to go read up to get a grasp on the version they tell.
It is funny, in our library of congress there are a few historical documents about early explorers from Europe that ran into Native tribes that knew some Hebrew words, as well as some Welsh. Actually there are a couple Welsh words and Hebrew words that are identical in spelling and meaning.
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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:21:51 GMT -5
I ignore them and am thankful (thank chwist I breathe) when they ride by without stopping to discuss their Latter Day Saint jive with me.
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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:24:18 GMT -5
I must look like a hopeless sinner to them because they never even stop or wave or say a freakin' word. Like I don't even exist. Actually now I'm offended!
Hardy-har-har.
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 19:35:59 GMT -5
Humanist philosophy predates the birth of Chirst, as does most of the philosophy Christ espoused. Still, whatever. I am not here to debunk anyone's faith or love for Jesus. I'd rather discuss the philosophy than the details behind any specific set of denominational beliefs. Okay...let's discuss the philosophy. Somehow we haven't gotten around to doing that. Now I don't know about "the philosophy Christ espoused" predating His own birth...and my handy Concord Desk Encyclopedia dates the birth of Humanistic philosophy at around the time of the Renaissance (c. 1350 AD-c.1650 AD), but feel free to disagree with the panel of scholars who contributed to that particular reference work... So you'll excuse me if I don't buy into the notion that Jesus Christ was merely parroting the philosophy of those who came before him. But EVEN IF HE WAS re-stating some truths that had already been voiced by various philosophers (not assuming, however, that this was ALWAYS the case), that only means that He was putting a "seal of approval" on those particular truths...it doesn't take a bit of authority away from Jesus' teachings (most of which were expositions of the Old Testament scriptures, anyway). Still, Christ As Philosopher is not the angle I generally approach Him with. Teacher, yes. Philosopher, no, I can't say I've looked at Him in that respect. Anyhoo, here's the entry on Humanism from the Concord Desk Encyclopedia I referred to (note, this is NOT a cut-and-paste job...I'm chicken-pecking the whole thing out manually, so please don't ignore it completely.  ): HUMANISM, originally the Rennaisance revival of the study of Classical (Latin, Greek & Hebrew) literature for it's own sake, rather than of medeival scholasticism. In a broader sense it has come to mean a philosophy centered on man and human values, exalting human freewill and superiority to the rest of nature; man is made the measure of all things. Rennaisance thinkers such as Petrarch began a trend towards humanism which embraced such diverse figures as Boccaccio, Machiavelli, Thomas More, and Erasmus and which became the ancestor of much subsequent secular thought and literature as well as--in another direction--of the reformation. , Modern humanism tends to be nontheistic, emphasizing the need for man to work out his own solutions to life's problems, but has a strong ethic similar to that of Christianity. Both Roman Catholics and Protestant theologians (such as Karl Barth) have sought to show that Christian beliefs embody true humanism.All emphases mine. |
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 19:45:04 GMT -5
That movie is hilarious. I know I know...something a good Christian should not be watchin right? LOL It can't be worse than The Devil's Rejects, which I watched last week... I actually caught some flack from a Pentecostal acquaintance for watching that movie. I'm like, well, I KNEW it was JUST a MOVIE... It kinda had a beneficial effect, actually...but I'd just as soon not go into that, ifn' you don't mind. Patlogi, it has been 3 years and 7 months since I recommitted my life to Jesus Christ. Yes, I am a "bona-fide born again". Thanks for asking. |
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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:46:09 GMT -5
I think everyone is in for a surprise in their final moment. Thats really what I believe.
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 19:48:15 GMT -5
I must look like a hopeless sinner to them because they never even stop or wave or say a freakin' word. Like I don't even exist. Actually now I'm offended! Hardy-har-har. Naw, you've got it all backwards. If they thought you looked like a hopeless sinner they would stop and talk to you. You must look like a Mormon to them.  |
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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:50:23 GMT -5
You probably caught some flack JAC on watchin' "Devil's Rejects" from your pentecostal friend perhaps due to the fact that it was directed by a bona-fide satanist?
Hmmm...
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 19:53:40 GMT -5
Rob Zombie ain't no "bona-fide Satanist".
He just has an encyclopedic knowledge of the horror genre.
Where do you come by the information that Zombie bows to Slewfoot?
I'll retract this post if you can provide a reputable link that proves Rob's allegiance to the "god of this world".
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Post by poseidon on Nov 26, 2005 19:58:43 GMT -5
"He just has an encyclopedic knowledge of the horror genre."
Ah. Is that like another term for the fallen angel? Horror genre?
No, I don't know for a fact if Zombie is a satanist or not. Just word-of-mouth.
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Post by JACkory on Nov 26, 2005 20:15:49 GMT -5
Never trust word-of-mouth.
Maybe I should have said he has an encyclopedic knowledge of HORROR FILMS.
Just one example...the CD booklet for Hellbilly Deluxe looks like it came straight from the pages of the legendary Warren magazine Famous Monsters of Filmland.
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Post by Nepenthe on Nov 26, 2005 20:19:30 GMT -5
Well if the Devil's Regects was ANYTHING like House of a Thousand Corpses... What a complete rip off that was. It was a total Texas Chainsaw Massacre RIP OFF!!! If I were Rob Zombie and I was a certified Satanist I would be ashamed. Can't even come up with an original idea for a damn cheesy horror movie. What a sorry ass satanist he is. |
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