JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Nov 16, 2007 12:33:12 GMT -5
goats have bad breath and they'll eat anything...even tin cans
they aren't very lovable but I imagine their sexual technique is dynamite, judging by their popularity amongst perverted degenerates and local political figures
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Post by chrisfan on Nov 16, 2007 12:42:24 GMT -5
Jac, you've completely misinterpreted what I said. Maybe instead of my needing to re-read the bible, you should re-read the post. i dun told you ...I don't have time to waste reading these hoity toity religious discussions. I find more pleasure in misinterpration. but this one time I decided to break that rule and I read the rest of your post. I still don't see where you've qualified the initial statement that "we're all perfect to begin with." i don't know anyone could get something else out of that than I did. come on, now. a little more time spent with your nose in the good book will do you good Whatever. Since you know what i said even better than I do, I'll let you just come up with a response. You can play out both sides of the discussion in your mind. Enjoy. |
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Post by JACkory on Nov 16, 2007 14:08:16 GMT -5
ha
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Post by phil on Nov 16, 2007 14:27:53 GMT -5
And if sex with a goat is anything like sex with goat cheese, then perhaps I'm game. You havent experienced life to the fullest if you have never tasted Greek Goat cheese ... I wish I could say the same for greek girls but their fathers have nasty-looking short-barrel shotguns in the islands were I used to go vacationing !! Jac ... I once had(for almost 2 years)a goat heard, 40 animals in all, half of them milk producers for cheese ... They are intelligent creature but they can be stubborn as hell because those animals have not been intensively domesticated. They will climb 10 feet in a tree to get at some tender leaves or chew the hell out of its bark but I've never seen one goat eat a tin can. And, as far as I'm concerned, they don't have bad breath, unless you're talking about an uncastrated male... Those stinks from every pores of their body !! Carry on 
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Post by phil on Nov 16, 2007 15:05:25 GMT -5
God Answers Prayers: Rainy Night in GeorgiaCBNNews.com November 15, 2007 CBNNews.com - Brook Benton had a hit song back in the 60's called, "Rainy Night in Georgia." That song never sounded more sweet than last night because it was a rainy night in Georgia. Click play to hear Pat Robertson's comments about Governor Sonny Perdue's bold move to ask God for rain. www.cbn.com/cbnnews/270510.aspx
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Severe Drought A half-inch to an inch of rain fell in some parts of the state, not enough to put a dent in the drought but it was certainly an answer to prayer. "God says it rains on the righteous and the unrighteous, so who knows," an Atlanta resident told ABC News. The showers came less than 24-hours after Governor Sonny Perdue organized a special service in front of the Capitol to pray for rain. It was part of a storm system that became violent in many parts of the south. High winds and tornadoes tore through parts of Kentucky. But meteorologists say Georgia - and the rest of the south - need a great deal more rain in the days ahead to break the brutal drought that has gripped the south this year. Source: The Associated Press, ABC NewsI wish Pat Robertson could explain to me how God can pinpoint with such deadly accurancy the places where the "righteous" live to send them only much needed water and the Sodomes & Gomorhes of the Deep South which get the tornadoes and the floods at the same exact time ...
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Post by Matheus on Nov 16, 2007 15:54:27 GMT -5
We're all perfect to begin with. Christ is the only one who stuck to that status. I don't think that the presence of temptation reflects anything about a person's character -- its the way the person responds to it that matters. Jesus could not control those around him, so he was bound to face temptation, and did. The key is that while we as humans sometimes give into that temptation, Christ did not. When he was faced with people challening him where there was an opportunity for short term gain to get out of it, he did not give in to the challenge. We as humans sometimes do. It would be quite human to be told "okay,do X or we'll kill you" with X being sin, for a person do do X in order to stay alive. When faced with that delimma, Christ chose to remain without sin instead. Right, but if he was perfect from the start and was destined to remain perfect, where was there really any temptation??? |
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Post by chrisfan on Nov 16, 2007 16:01:09 GMT -5
Was his perfection pre-destined? I don't know that it was. If it was for Him, would that mean that its pre-destined for the rest of us to give in to sin? Was it planned before i was born that in one particular instance, I'd hear people bashing a friend of mine, and join in on it? Or that another time, I'd hear people bashing a friend, and I'd stand up and defend that person?
In all honesty, I don't think there are definitive answers to those questions. For me personally, i believe that all humans (including Jesus) are given much more free-will than that. Part of the free will includes a freedom to commit sin.
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Post by Matheus on Nov 16, 2007 16:04:11 GMT -5
Was his perfection pre-destined? I don't know that it was. If it was for Him, would that mean that its pre-destined for the rest of us to give in to sin? Was it planned before i was born that in one particular instance, I'd hear people bashing a friend of mine, and join in on it? Or that another time, I'd hear people bashing a friend, and I'd stand up and defend that person? In all honesty, I don't think there are definitive answers to those questions. For me personally, i believe that all humans (including Jesus) are given much more free-will than that. Part of the free will includes a freedom to commit sin. You're right, Chrisfan... is there any way to know? I can't help but wonder with the immaculate conception thing. |
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Post by phil on Nov 16, 2007 19:09:38 GMT -5
I can't help but wonder with the immaculate conception thing.
That darn mischievous Holy Spirit ... !  ! |
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Nov 16, 2007 22:35:00 GMT -5
Jesus was......um, should I start down this path??.............ok, um *clears throat* Jesus felt what we felt to an extent but didn't have the Adamic nature. If He wasn't conceived by the Holy Spirit He would not have resisted every temptation He resisted (all of them) even with His best intentions. Jesus did have a will of his own and that very will wanted the opposite of what the Father wanted when it came time to pray about his very execution. "Father, if there be any way, let this cup pass from me. However, not my will, but thy will be done." This is our example to show us that not even God in the flesh was exempt from sacrificing His own will for God the Father's will. The book of Hebrews states that he "was tempted in every way, yet was without sin." Every way. Hebrews also states that Jesus "learned obedience through what he suffered." Jesus chose suffering over the pleasures of sin "for the glory set before him."
Concerning whether someone perfect could be tempted: the book of James states that God can not be tempted. And we believe that Jesus was God in the flesh and that he was tempted in every way. Is that a contradiction? No. James is referring to the Father, not the Son. In fact, to show the distinction, the Father knows when the last day and nobody else, not even Jesus, does. Furthermore, Jesus was being made perfect while he was on the earth. Although his spirit was perfect the rest of his being was in a process of being made perfect. Otherwise he wouldn't have said to the man who called him "good teacher", "Don't call me good. For no one is good but my Father who is in heaven." That's my take on it, anyway. Chrisfan or JAC can correct me if I'm wrong.
Um, Chrisfan, I'm afraid JAC is right about none of us starting out perfect.
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Post by chrisfan on Nov 17, 2007 9:00:47 GMT -5
Melon, if there is a single interpretation and understanding of the bible, why have legitimate biblical scholars debated for so long?
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Post by phil on Nov 17, 2007 9:43:31 GMT -5
HÉ! We can't agree on one religion let alone the hundreds of interpretations
many christian "churches" make of the good book...
How many "churches" are there in the U.S. alone ??
WE have the Truth ... Which means that YOU don't !!
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Post by upinkzeppelin2 on Nov 17, 2007 13:36:21 GMT -5
A scholar will often miss what a child can see. It's not knowing ABOUT Jesus that counts, it's about knowing Him Who is truth. Meanwhile "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." If you want to get to know Him, get to know the word. All things we think and believe about Jesus that aren't rooted in the word are fallen opinions. You know that Chrisfan. I don't really know how you want me to respond to that question, btw. Hopefully this worked.
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Post by chrisfan on Nov 17, 2007 16:02:59 GMT -5
Some of those scholars Melon, are also men and women who know Jesus, and know Him as the Truth.
The bottom line is this -- I believe firmly that all of the answers are in the bible. I also believe that as humans, we are not adequately equipped to find all of those answers on our own. I believe that a large reason that God's intent for us as Christians is to gather in community, and grow spiritually together, is BECAUSE alone we're not equipped to find or know it all.
We read the bible, and seek the truth from that word. But we're also human, and bound to make errors. I trust that in time, God will ensure that we have all the answers we need. But I'm humble enough and patient enough to accept that it doesn't happen all at once, and quite honestly I don't believe that it happens in THIS life. So all in all, I find it quite arrogant for you, Jac, or anyone else to declare one interpretation of the word to be "wrong" and another to be "right". I'm humble enough to accept that I can be led to find what I believe, but that may or may not be correct. I'd invite you to join me in the humility aspect of the walk.
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JACkory
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Post by JACkory on Nov 17, 2007 18:27:34 GMT -5
That's all fine and good, but until you provide me with anything from the bible that even IMPLIES that human beings are born perfect or are at any point in their lives perfect well then all this rigamarole about varying interpretations is just a pile of shit.
i don't think you can do it.
i'd even go so far as to say I KNOW youi can't do it.
but don't do it for me. i'm not interested and I've read and studied the bible enough to know better. do it for yourself, so you can correct this erroneous belief you harbor about human perfection. maybe set aside the hour you spend watching "big brother", "lost" or "kid nation" and use the time to embark uon a systematic study of the bible. that should do the trick.
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