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Post by Mary on Jun 19, 2007 14:42:42 GMT -5
I'm ok with "post-rock" as a genre classification. It really kinda makes sense if you think about the way "post" works as a prefix in other contexts - post-modern and all that. Post-rock fits in pretty well with that.
I guess I'm forgiving of all these minute genre distinctions. In the end of course I don't particularly give a rat's ass what genre classification a particular band falls into as long as it sounds good - but as a certifiable geek, I find the endless proliferation of ridiculous sub-genres kind of interesting and amusing.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 19, 2007 14:49:46 GMT -5
TORTOISE
plays tonight
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 19, 2007 15:07:38 GMT -5
Yes, Thorns, tell us how that is!
I'm usually alright with ridiculous classifications, but I'm more of a fan of the title of "instrumental rock" which pretty much sums up perfectly what I think of the genre. "Post-Rock" just has never sat well with me for some reason. It just sounds weird and lazy like "post-hardcore". If you are going to name a genre, name it something besides "post" and then follow it up with whatever genre it's post of. Just seems horribly lazy to me.
So Pitchfork gave the new Fridge a less than good review. That surprised me a great deal to tell you the truth. If you don't know who Fridge is, check them out. After they put out "Happiness" they disbanded and the members went on to form Four Tet and Adem, which are both quite good in their own right.
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Post by maarts on Jun 19, 2007 15:26:59 GMT -5
And yes, it is one of the dumbest genre classifications to come around in a long time. You can thank those "rockist" assholes for this one. OK, you give us then a good name for acts like Sigur Ros and Godspeed? |
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Post by Thorngrub on Jun 19, 2007 15:27:43 GMT -5
unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can make it to tortoise.
I know. Sad.
We'll see...
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Post by bowiglou on Jun 19, 2007 15:49:27 GMT -5
OK, Maarts I'll try "pseudo-symphonic-make-up-your-own-language-kinda-euro' rock does that help? And yes, it is one of the dumbest genre classifications to come around in a long time. You can thank those "rockist" assholes for this one. OK, you give us then a good name for acts like Sigur Ros and Godspeed? |
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Post by maarts on Jun 19, 2007 15:58:25 GMT -5
Godspeed are Canadians.
I think that 'post' as in 'beyond' works perfectly. It's music beyond set songstructures and conventions. It's prog in nature because of the length of the tracks and incorporates rock, ambient, jazz and (alt.)country in the music, thereby going 'beyond' ordinary rock structures.
Orgasm-rock would work too since most of these bands work towards an end-of-song climax...
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Post by Mary on Jun 19, 2007 16:04:33 GMT -5
Yeah, what maarts said. "Post" doesn't just mean after, it means something that comes after something in a way that is still based upon and rooted in what came before it, but which deconstructs the thing that came before it. If that makes any sense. Which it probably doesn't.
Of course a lot of (all?) post-rock is pretty much instrumental rock too, but I think some instrumental rock isn't post-rock. (We need someone to bust out a venn diagram). Surf rock, for example, is often instrumental, but I wouldn't call it post-rock because the song structures are pretty conventional. Or Metallica's instrumental songs, I'd also just consider instrumental metal, there's nothing obviously "post" about those songs, they don't really deconstruct the genre or anything, they just happen to not have vocals.
Just my take...
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 19, 2007 17:29:50 GMT -5
And yes, it is one of the dumbest genre classifications to come around in a long time. You can thank those "rockist" assholes for this one. OK, you give us then a good name for acts like Sigur Ros and Godspeed? Sigur Ros = Whale Fucking Core Godspeed = Commie Orchestral Rock |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 19, 2007 17:31:48 GMT -5
I do somewhat agree with you guys.....however, to me if you take "Orion" from Metallica and add some bits of The Cure's, you get Mogwai.
I've just even heard the term "post metal" which I am sorry, it just makes me laugh. Seems a bit daft....
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Post by JesusLooksLikeMe on Jun 20, 2007 0:28:02 GMT -5
Skvor, if we go with the "instrumental rock" tag, how are we going to classify post-rock with vocals - newer Silver Mt Zion, Sigur Ros, iLiKETRAiNS etc? Are these just prog bands? Or, if you add synths, are they then space rock?
And how come math rock is a sub-division of noise rock or noisecore, and not of post-rock (so says Wikipedia)?
Last question - what is chamber rock?
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 20, 2007 0:32:08 GMT -5
Wikipedia is daft on the math-rock thing. I don't really get it. The only thing in the genre that is remotely noise-y to me is Lightning Bolt. To me alot of instrumental rock bands with synths, vocals and the whole nine is just what I always thought of as "indie rock".
Rachel's would be "chamber rock". I think. I think it's referring to stuff like Eluvium, which is basically a bunch of indie rock/post rock kids who write string quartets and piano sonatas with weird shit behind it. Which to me is just 20th Century Classical, but hey, if people like going in circles, okay.
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Post by Ryosuke on Jun 20, 2007 0:52:42 GMT -5
You also have the problem of rock bands who play instrumental music, but aren't "post rock." I just have a hard time categorizing Special Others in that group... |
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 20, 2007 9:40:04 GMT -5
www.sendspace.com/file/62110c My new record is finally finished after months of me sitting around tweaking it like some Axl Rose-esque dork. So, I call my self Night Friends and this is the record. It's definitely in a "post-rock" vein. So, instead of me mailing out a dozen copies (which I can still do if you want an actual physical copy) I give you the opportunity to download like crazy. Give it to your friends, tell me you hate it, whatever! I also edited the link because the last couple took forever. Fixed now.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jun 22, 2007 14:32:30 GMT -5
So, here's who I think really influenced and started the "post-rock" genre. Tell me if you think I'm wrong, discuss amongst yourselves, call me an idiot.
1. Slint
2. Dif Juz
3. The Duritti Column
4. Cocteau Twins
5. Brian Eno
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