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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jan 3, 2006 16:03:58 GMT -5
Also, another question, what do you guys think of Christian Metal? Seems to be getting big again from what I can tell.
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Post by riley on Jan 3, 2006 16:49:07 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of an oxymoron, and I already have 2 too many Christian metal albums in my collection.   |
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jan 3, 2006 16:57:41 GMT -5
Its bound to get big. Metal is moving units right now, so the Jesus kids need to be cool like their friends. Thus, Living Sacrifice albums.
As for what I think of it, if someone comes with some fresh ideas, I really don't care what their personal philosophies or religious views are. Right now, there's a whole lot of mediocre being recorded and released, so I wouldn't give a fuck if it turned out to buddhist metal (where's 2006's version of Shelter?) or muslims doing something innovative.
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Post by Nepenthe on Jan 3, 2006 20:23:29 GMT -5
Well Otep is a Muslim, but I don't really care for her philosophy or her music much. As in Christian bands, I am assuming you mean actually outright Christian bands like Stryper that profess it very openly? But there is a lot of power metal out there that is very Christian or Spiritually oriented. Also Dave Mustaine is a Christian now. Helloween's lyrics are definately in that category, and Michael Kiske is a Christian for sure. Nicko (for sure) and probably the rest of Maiden are believers. There is Dream Evil (coined the name from a DIO song) they are pretty open about their beliefs. Savatage and TSO. Primal Fear, Angel Dust, Judas Priest's new album is DEFINATELY spiritually/Christian oriented, and even some of Priest's older stuff. Some of Dee Snider's is definately spiritually oriented, The members of Nightwish, HIM's Love Metal, Grave Digger's (German Thrash) last album "The Last Supper" is definately themed around the entire Christian beginnings. I know they were questioned on it over and over again by die hard "I have to be a satanist to listen to metal because its cool" fans.  Then of course there is Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler, Burton C. Bell, Avantasia, David Defeis Yngwie's stuff, Timo Tolkki, Hammerfall, Jag Panzer, Blind Guardian, the singer is openly Christian, and so many more. Here is an interesting excerpt from an interview with Geezer: Interviewer: The Sabbath influence is prevalent not only in the music, but in the lyrics of many of today's metal bands - after all, you were among the first to get into the occult and the darker side of life, and now there are bands in Scandinavia burning down churches and killing each other. How much of what you wrote back then was for real?
Geezer: "I used to read a lot about all that. But any lyrics that I or Ozzy wrote were actually warnings against Satanism, telling people that if you are going to dabble in that, just be careful... I had a very strict Catholic upbringing, so I read a lot about Satan. But we never, ever promoted Satanism or black magic, we only used it as a reference, and it wasn't our only topic. We wrote a lot of science fiction lyrics, anti-Vietnam war songs, the occult was only dealt with in three or four songs. But people completely misinterpreted them, the way they always do... Sabbath even did a blatantly pro-God, Christian hymn type of song, 'After Forever', and people still took it the wrong way. They thought we were taking the piss out of it!"
"I think it's sad that those bands in Norway are trying to get publicity by burning down churches. Music shouldn't ever preach hatred or intolerance, there's already enough of that in the world... Some of these new bands are so fake it's unbelievable, they don't even know what they're singing about half the time." |
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Post by Nepenthe on Jan 3, 2006 20:31:30 GMT -5
Samael's new album "Reign of Light" is pretty spiritually oriented.
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Post by Nepenthe on Jan 3, 2006 21:35:30 GMT -5
You know, I still love early Metallica. As a matter of fact, I saw this band called Trivium that was pretty close to old school Metallica if Metallica was fronted by the guy from Mastodon. I think that's why Metallica has fallen from so far from grace. Look at the output before "the black album" which I think is nothing short of perfect. I really hated "the black album" though. That was the beginning of the end for me. Mastodon is quite possibly the best metal band name ever. Mastadon was at Ozzfest, Ian had to remind me though. I guess they didn't impress me much, no offense. As for Trivium, don't really care for them much either. The problem with the bands from the US is, they try to copy the Gothenburg style and they just can't do it. They are touring with In Flames, who I saw at Ozzfest and they were absolutely awesome!     |
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Post by Nepenthe on Jan 3, 2006 21:37:27 GMT -5
COB is another favorite of mine, saw them in Memphis in 04.
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Post by Thorngrub on Jan 4, 2006 14:15:07 GMT -5
a metal board. cool
i'll be back...
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jan 4, 2006 14:24:21 GMT -5
I was exposed to Christian metal when I was in 9th grade to bands like Believer, Deliverance, Seventh Angel, The Crucified, Vengance Rising, Mortification and Living Sacrifice by my best friend who was, at the time, really into metal but wasn't too excited about the whole Dark Lord thing. He has since changed his mind and found that he likes the dark and the light. There is a current movement in some circles of Black Metal that are doing the whole "White Metal" thing and no it isn't racist as the name implies, but just scary music with a Christian theme. I find this interesting as it seems that metal has become a way for teenagers to rebel against the status quo of middle America. If rebelling against the status quo is now to be Christian metal that is a very interesting development in the scene. I personally don't care as long as the lyrics are good. I stopped listening to many of the Christian metal bands that I listed above because the lyrics became cheesy and the music started to sound like Queensryche. EEK! (not a big Queensryche fan. I can appreciate "Operation Mindcrime and that's about it.) I think that if done right it could be cool and it will make some interesting debates within the metal scene and will also make for some interesting album art, I think.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Jan 4, 2006 14:27:57 GMT -5
I am very inclined to say that no matter what any one tells me, Stryper is NOT metal. It's not because they are Christian, it's because they are balladeering pompous buffoons. Just like Bon Jovi, Poison, Eurpope (UGH!), Winger, Warrant, insert glam band here, and all of that crap are NOT metal to me. I know people have this argument all the time, but to me, Black Sabbath is metal. Voivod, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Venom, alot of the stuff from the late 70s early 80s is classic metal. Still, I prefer my 1349, Gorguts, insert crazed metal band here and I'm all for it. I like the stuff that mixes Nordic folk with the craziest screaming blast beats you've ever heard and everything in between. I guess you could say I am also a huge fan or "art metal". Whatever, if it's heavy, I'm into it.
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Post by phil on Jan 4, 2006 14:58:31 GMT -5
"To Hell With The Devil" is funny as ... Well ! You know !!
And the second album cover is cheesy as ... Well ! There too !!
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Post by phil on Jan 4, 2006 15:04:35 GMT -5
I shall consider myself lucky that the Boys are not into Rap or Nymphets Processed Porn Pop but for someone like me who never cared much for Metal I'm hearing a lot of Heavy Duty Music right now ... Karma for all the Bob Dylan I inflicted on my mother's ears when I was the Boys" age I guess ... How she hated his voice ...  |
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jan 4, 2006 15:09:57 GMT -5
I've felt that, for the most part, christian metal is more a commercial thing than anything, because it has a distinct audience that will probably end up buying it, no matter how bad the band is. Sure, there are times when it works out and the band is coming to the plate with original ideas (Believer basically being Human-era Death well before Chuck decided to take that direction), but for the most part, particularly now, its just a bunch of guys copying whatever is popular at the moment, and doing stuff just like that, but with christian lyrics. So right now, there's a lot of melodic death metal and metalcorish shit with Jesus lyrics, and that's basically the extent of the genre. You don't see guys going out and trying to coopt Darkthrone's sound for the cross, you know?
As for the question of what is and is not metal, my thinking is that if you think NWOBHM was metal, then I guess Stryper has to be "metal" too. I just don't see the need to like them.
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Post by maarts on Jan 4, 2006 15:14:02 GMT -5
You just have to admire the balls on those guys to sing anti-Satan songs and using the Devil's music to bring the message.
As if the metal community was gonna take them seriously and Pope Sidious already has stated metal as a no-no for discerning Christians...
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Post by zorndeslammes on Jan 4, 2006 15:37:59 GMT -5
I dunno that I do. It seems like a really obvious thing to do to make money more than it is a brave thing to do from a religious perspective. Then again, I'm not a batshit christian fundie, so what do I know? hah.
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