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Post by dolly on Feb 22, 2007 11:59:52 GMT -5
Aye, taking the high road. Good on yer laddie.
I certainly don't want it on this particular board. Nor do I want tedious debates on the meaning of words that are defined perfectly adequately in the Oxford Dictionary.
Do I still have a day with my album openers and closers, Ken? I'm feeling sick as a dog today, so anything that requires brain cells is on ice.
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 22, 2007 12:04:19 GMT -5
Album openers are set to close up tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. Mountain Time, but for you Dolly, I'll give you through Saturday if you need it.
Album closers is open until next Friday ... or I get my own list posted, whichever is later. This one is just too damn hard to order.
I've got to say here that IMO Ray Davies is a great songwriter, but I really don't like the way he sings his own songs a lot of the time. Chrissie sings "Stop Your Sobbin'" better, Weller and Foxton made "David Watts" completely their own, even Diamond Dave acquitted himself quite nicely on "You Really Got Me" (though VH really defines another sort of "over the top"). It's possible that I'd like a really good album of Kinks kovers more than anything the band themselves ever put together.
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Post by dolly on Feb 22, 2007 12:05:55 GMT -5
LOL! But wasn't this last album Ray's first solo effort, ever? He basically took all of the nineties off, and this last record was a nice (though by no means perfect) comeback.Hehe. Well, good things come to those who wait. And I'd jolly well have a decade off work if I could afford it  It's just that damn music-hall/showtunes influence that takes so many Kinks albums over the top that wears on me. Totally understandable, I guess. I feel the same about a lot of McCartney output on later Beatles albums coming off like nursery rhymes. If something bugs you, it bugs you. Aint nothing wrong with that. See, we're all way too mellow on this board. One big happy family here. Aint no worm upsettin' this here applecart.
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Post by dolly on Feb 22, 2007 12:08:58 GMT -5
My typing is slow today....
What the hell is Mountain Time? ? ?
Chrissie sings "Stop Your Sobbin'" better
nooooooo. Not bad, but noooooo.
Weller and Foxton made "David Watts" completely their own
nooooooo. They made it all butch and took away the fey camp. Wrong, all wrong (relatively - I do like the version actually).
And.... who the bejeezus is Diamond Dave? ? ?
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Post by dolly on Feb 22, 2007 12:09:53 GMT -5
Thanks btw. When I'm feeling more human I'll finish my list. Like you - I'm finding openers a LOT easier! I just have to order them and weed out the overflow.
But closers.... hmmm. I need my brain back.
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Post by Paul on Feb 22, 2007 13:05:31 GMT -5
"Davies fits the classic "early peak, sharp valley, comeback, fade away" model of almost every other rocker of his generation. "I would concede you had a point, Ken, but for the fact that Ray has never really faded away. Sure, he doesn't enjoy the stature he had with the Kinks, but then neither does Weller without the Jam. Ray is still around - he realised a jolly niceset of tunes last year and was touring his little socks off until he wore himself out, poor lamb. Ray will never go away. Adapting an old Nick Cave quote: After the Apocalypse, there will be cockroaches, and there will be Ray Davies. LOL! But wasn't this last album Ray's first solo effort, ever? He basically took all of the nineties off, and this last record was a nice (though by no means perfect) comeback. Ray was married to Chrissie Hynde, though, and that wins him tons of coolness points with me. I actually do like Ray Davies and the Kinks, I just don't love 'em the way you and Paul do. But I've still got all the songs that Paul sent me ripped onto my hard drive/iPod, and there are some that I love tons ("Well Respected Man," "Dead End Street," etc.). It's just that damn music-hall/showtunes influence that takes so many Kinks albums over the top that wears on me. Ray didn't quite take the 90's off....he toured, wrote books, and came up w/ the idea for VH1's Story Tellers series. It was cool when I watched the Pearl Jam Story Tellers (which was a let down IMO) during the credits Ray was mentioned as the shows "inspiration". |
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Post by Paul on Feb 22, 2007 13:09:15 GMT -5
Paul what does being an 'expert on melody' mean--and who do you see as being an expert on melody? Also does being an expert on it equate to being a genius at it? Or can you know absolutley nothing about melody, but still create beautiful ones naturally? And a last question is, when you listen to a melody can you tell whether it was done by an expert on melody or not? Don't really know what an expert on melody is -- just know it ain't me. expert does not equal genius. some folks got a natural ability to create music, yet know little about music theory. i'm not one of these folks. i have to work pretty hard on guitar to piece everything together....i have an ear for music, but i can't really compose it. nope, can't tell whether i'm listening to an expert or not. maybe ray davies was a musical idiot, i don't know, but he sure could come up with nice melodies. that, IMO, would make him a genius, not expert. |
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Post by dolly on Feb 23, 2007 8:01:48 GMT -5
Ray is playing coventry and I've only just found out! Agggggh!
Now the only tickets left are right near the back of the auditorium. Damnit, I'm so annoyed.
Still tempted to oder the tix anyway, but my sister doesn't know if she can get the time off, and I've wasted far too much money on unused tickets this last year or so to risk it. Why can't any of you guys live closer? ? ?
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Post by dolly on Feb 23, 2007 8:06:53 GMT -5
It was cool when I watched the Pearl Jam Story Tellers (which was a let down IMO) during the credits Ray was mentioned as the shows "inspiration".
Ray inspired Peal Jam? That is surprising. Still, 'Ray Davies' and 'storytelling' have become as bound as straberries and cream.
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 23, 2007 12:25:56 GMT -5
I think that Ray Davies was the inspiration for the entire Story Tellers series -- like they wanted him to play an intimate little set and he wound up talking about how the songs got written, etc., and that's where the show came from. Though I'm sure that PJ were at least influenced by the inevitable All Day ... and You Really Got Me. |
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Post by Galactus on Feb 23, 2007 12:38:37 GMT -5
Yeah the idea for Storytellers came from the tour he did...I think the To The Bone album came from that tour...
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Post by dolly on Feb 23, 2007 12:50:53 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen any of the Story Tellers series, having no access to the cable music channels.
But yes, The Kinks have influenced eeeeeveryne, from Jimi Hendrix, to the Jam, to Blur, even through to Green Day.
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Post by dolly on Feb 23, 2007 12:52:50 GMT -5
Yeah the idea for Storytellers came from the tour he did...I think the To The Bone album came from that tour... Yeah, I think you're probably right on that score, DED. Been trying to track down a proper copy of To The Bone for ages. Had a downloaded copy for a while until my hard drive got fried.  |
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Post by Paul on Feb 27, 2007 13:16:09 GMT -5
Dolly,
You haven't gotten Preservation Act 1 yet have you? I listened to that this past weekend, and boy oh boy is it good. Maybe is was the great green substance skewing my judgment, I don't know, but I was really digging it. If you can find a download of a song called "Daylight" check it out. I think it may just be one of the best 70's songs the Kinks made. It's also a pretty reflective album...being released in '73, and Ray is asking "what has happened to all the angry young men" -- it's pretty cool. Sure it's a bit campy - it's a rock opera after all - but it's well worth the listen, and it just may be the Kinks most overlooked album.
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Post by Paul on Feb 27, 2007 13:35:03 GMT -5
I think that Ray Davies was the inspiration for the entire Story Tellers series -- like they wanted him to play an intimate little set and he wound up talking about how the songs got written, etc., and that's where the show came from. Though I'm sure that PJ were at least influenced by the inevitable All Day ... and You Really Got Me. That is a true statement Ken....If you have the Jones Beach #3 Bootleg from the 2000 tour, during the RVM jam they start jamming to You Really Got Me. |
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