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Post by Ryosuke on Sept 9, 2006 12:38:43 GMT -5
Erm, just in case it isn't totally obvious, I was absolutely joking when I said we shouldn't eat duck because ducks are cute. Of course, the cuteness of an animal has absolutely no relevance to the ethics of eating it. It was pretty obvious, don't worry. And I knew you were kidding too of course, ded. For the record, I have no moral objections to bullfighting. Or to hunting game either, though I have no desire to ever partake in the latter. I'd probably object to foie gras if it weren't so damn delicious. |
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Post by phil on Sept 9, 2006 13:11:25 GMT -5
Well I must confess I'm at a loss to comprehend why force-feeding ducks is an unobjectionable "tradition" but bullfighting is a moral atrocity. Or why it's a waste of time and priorities to speak out against foie gras but not bullfighting.
OK ! Here we go ...
Force-feeding (gavage) takes advantage of a natural propencity
for those birds to gorge themselves in the wild ...
Breeders are careful not to hurt their animals
because a death duck is no good to anybody ...
The procedure takes place over a 2 weeks period,
the end result is a delicacy called foie gras
and the bird meat is also commercialized ...
Bullfighting pits a scare, blind, almost defenceless animal
against men on horses with lances designed to damage
the neck muscles of the bull so it cannot trust his head up ...
People on foot with barb sticks who will harass and drain the animal
of most of its energy before the toréador makes his grand entrance
and toy with a beast that don't want to fight but only want to get the fuck out of there ...
Put a fresh, rested well-fed bull in there
alone with the guy with the red cape
and see what happen ...
That I would watch ... !!
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Post by phil on Sept 9, 2006 13:41:28 GMT -5
The only purpose of bullfighting is to inflict tremendous pain
and then kill a defenceless animal for the entertainment
of people who wouldn't eat any part of said animal
even if you gave it to them, especially the liver ... !!
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Post by strat-0 on Sept 9, 2006 14:25:21 GMT -5
I have to agree with Phil on the bullfighting thing. Deliberately maiming and killing an animal for "pleasure" is cruelty. Now, bull riding is another thing, as I think the animals actually enjoy what they're doing a little bit -- they know what they're supposed to do and they do it. They frequently come out on top, too. Those bull riders are some crazy, busted up dudes!
I put dog or cock fighting, bear-baiting, etc. in the same catagory as bullfighting, though I'm ashamed to say that some people still fight dogs or cocks in rural areas around here (though it's illegal). And they sure as hell don't eat them. Btw, cock fighting is still legal in Oklahoma.
I've known as long as I can remember that pigs are very intelligent animals, but as Ken noted, they're just too damn tasty not to eat. Besides, what else are you going to do with a 600 lb. porker? They're not so "cute" then. I once saw a huge male that ate the ears off it's mate. And it wasn't underfed!
It's really a cultural or emotional thing about what is appropriate to eat. At least in the US, there seems to be a correlation between how intelligent and bondable they are, or how "human-like." We disdain eating dog, whale, dolphin, or monkey meat. But look at nature: animals of lower order or intelligence regularly dine on animals higher up -- crocodiles, sharks, jellyfish... I have to admit that I share some of that disdain for eating, say, monkey, dolphin, etc., but it's a purely emotional response.
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Post by phil on Sept 9, 2006 15:38:41 GMT -5
Amen to Strat-O post ... !
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Post by rockysigman on Sept 9, 2006 16:28:35 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by the last few pages, so I just wanted to make sure that you people are not planning to eat me, right?
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Post by Galactus on Sept 9, 2006 16:29:59 GMT -5
No, but we might make you waddle.
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Post by Ampage on Sept 9, 2006 20:34:34 GMT -5
I always get a "kick" out of watcing all the assholes at Running or the Bulls. You better believe I am rooting for the bulls! Stomp those stupid humans - STOMP EM'!
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Post by limitdeditionlayla on Sept 9, 2006 20:49:06 GMT -5
I'm very anti-bullfighting. It saddens me how popular it remains in Spain to this day. My family there have heard me rant about it often enough, I've forbidden them from going to watch any bullfights. We had a toreador in our family a few generations back. Its like having a murderer in your family tree, I see no honour in it.
My dad ran with the bulls in Pamplona. He got stepped on by three people, but was unharmed by the bulls. He was also drunk.
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Post by Mary on Sept 9, 2006 22:37:26 GMT -5
Just to clarify I'm not defending bullfighting, which clearly seems cruel to me. I just don't know if it's obviously so much more cruel than foie gras or factory farming. The fact that we ultimately eat this stuff doesn't mean it couldn't be prepared in an infinitely more humane manner. Eating it doesn't make any and all methods of preparation justifiable, imo. I don't see how anyone could deny that free-range meat is less cruel than factory-farmed meat - perhaps you think the moral distinction is trivial or it's just not a pressing issue given the state of the world today. Fine - but there's clearly a moral distinction there.
Cheers,
M
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Post by Paul on Sept 11, 2006 8:00:47 GMT -5
If complimenting a woman on her attractiveness (while at the same time extolling her talent as a singer) is considered "sexist", then I heartily recommend sexism for all. There was no objectification that I could see in that post - and besides - how many men around here have posted pics of women, many wearing much less than Ms Vincent there, followed by the online equivalent of wolf whistles & extended commentary on her ass/tits/legs etc- ...get over it! Although a bit late, I think this should be post of the day, er well, post of the weekend. |
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Post by Kensterberg on Sept 11, 2006 9:17:21 GMT -5
If complimenting a woman on her attractiveness (while at the same time extolling her talent as a singer) is considered "sexist", then I heartily recommend sexism for all. There was no objectification that I could see in that post - and besides - how many men around here have posted pics of women, many wearing much less than Ms Vincent there, followed by the online equivalent of wolf whistles & extended commentary on her ass/tits/legs etc- ...get over it! Although a bit late, I think this should be post of the day, er well, post of the weekend. Here ya go Layla ... POTD, or at least one of 'em for the weekend. You can thank Paul for nominating this one ('cause I just wasn't thinking POTD when I read anything here this weekend). And we'll try to keep the whistles and catcalls to a minimum while you waltz up to the podium to pick up your POTD honors. |
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Post by phil on Sept 11, 2006 9:26:56 GMT -5
But how will you know she is who she's pretending to be ...
You.ll have to ask for some ID
or the Nobel prize comity's letter of recommendation !!
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Post by Kensterberg on Sept 14, 2006 11:25:18 GMT -5
OK, I haven't exactly been getting these up every day (has anyone noticed that?), but I think I may actually be adding new POTDs faster than Ferdman or Chatman did. I remember some of those things sitting around getting stale for quite a while. Anyways, we've got an early winner today, the incomparable ThoRny, on the Religion and All That Other Stuff board, said the following, which deserves to be immortalized: Then the bellybutton must be God's corporate logo. You can choose from the fine assortment of prizes hidden somewhere in the recesses of JAC's coffee shoppe ... you just have to get in there and find 'em first. |
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Post by Thorngrub on Sept 14, 2006 11:38:20 GMT -5
hey, thanks ken . . ! I'll go see what I can scare up from the shoppe...  |
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