Skvor's House of Metal

[Thorngrub]

nymphofantasia said:

zorndeslammes said:

BTW (and totally besides the point), dressing "unmetal" at metal shows is always entertainment. I mean, trolling in real life always is, but especially there, just so you can have some kid in a Iced Earth shirt ask you why it is you're at the club.

I have a question. Exactly how do you dress unmetal? Do you mean like yadda yadda yadda....

"If You Have To Ask, You'll Never Knooooow"

[zorndeslammes]

I have a question. Exactly how do you dress unmetal? Do you mean like Richard Simmons or Wham attire or maybe geek plaid pants with a pink shirt and bow tie or something? I mean most people wear, you know jeans and a shirt. Some wear black some don't.

A) Don't wear some stupid band t-shirt or hoodie. I stopped doing that a few years ago. If some band wants their logo splashed across my body, they can pay for it.

B) Wear a color other than black.

www.returntothepit.com/media.php?id=220493&date=dec172005&pic=vital_remains111.jpg

Shades of grey don't count.

C) Wear shoes that aren't combat boots or torn up high tops.

D) Vests. Stupidest shit in history. No one should own one, particularly one covered in patches. I don't care how much you spent on E-Bay for a Sodom back patch, I'm not impressed.

Metal has a uniform just like every other scene. Its just that metal has a really ugly and cheap uniform.

As for Bleach not being metal, it is. If it isn't, half of the genre ceases to be so too. Its way heavier and more groove influenced by way of Black Sabbath and Deep Purple (in Nirvana's case, vis-a-vis Melvins) than almost all of NWOBHM. Its heavier than the shitty artsy wannabe "etherial" metal acts that plague labels like Napalm and Nuclear Blast too. It has more to do with the vision set out by Sabbath, Pentagram, and Sir Lord Baltimore than a band like Tristania ever will.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

nymphofantasia said:

zorndeslammes said:

BTW (and totally besides the point), dressing "unmetal" at metal shows is always entertainment. I mean, trolling in real life always is, but especially there, just so you can have some kid in a Iced Earth shirt ask you why it is you're at the club.

I have a question. Exactly how do you dress unmetal? Do you mean like Richard Simmons or Wham attire or maybe geek plaid pants with a pink shirt and bow tie or something? I mean most people wear, you know jeans and a shirt. Some wear black some don't.

I can't help but think of Overkill everytime I run into this sort of conversation. Their song "Old School" describes what utter bullshit this 'new' phenomena of having to look cool.


Here's to the old school
Didn't matter if you looked cool
We drank some beers and broke some heads
And never gave a shit
We climbed every mountain
Stormed every city
They said that this would never last
We never gave a FUCK

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Bleach metal....lolololololol!![/quote]

You can laugh out loud all you want, but the riff for "Negative Creep" and "School" are pretty heavy. Also, if it makes you laugh, why is it that most metal heads refer to this record as "the good record before Kurt became a fag". Hmm?

[Thorngrub]

To me, metal is stuff like Mystifier, Mortem, Atomic Aggressor, Decapitated, old Entombed, even Opeth, and crossover punk/thrash/grind shit like the Accused, Nausea, Pagan Dead, and I only like certain blackmetal bands, I won't let ideologies blind me, for instance I dig early Burzum albums, but right now am into all my local friends in The Obliterate Plague, Ibex Throne, Mindlock, Terra Noir, and one of my favorites, Yaotl Mictlan, my pals Alex ("Desecrator") and his brother Renee (also in Ibex) front their own unique Central/South-American underground black/deathmetal, their album smokes w/interesting utilization of indigenous instruments, all these bands play in Salt Lake year round, in fact the long-awaited, overdue Ibex Throne/Terra Noir show is going to blow the roof off of Todd's Bar & Grill this Saturday, all the Horde fucks will be there glaring their happy grim drunkenness, I'm really looking forward to it as its been awhile since the last Ibex show.


Alex "Berzerker"

(of The Obliterate Plague / Terra Noir / Incendiant / etc)

LD & Anthony ("Lord Dying" and "Azelcraz")

(of IBEX THRONE / 88 metal bullets / Lord Beherit / etc)

I'll tell you what. Salt Lake's gotta sick scene.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Oh hell yeah you guys do.

[Nepenthe]

zorndeslammes said:

I have a question. Exactly how do you dress unmetal? Do you mean like Richard Simmons or Wham attire or maybe geek plaid pants with a pink shirt and bow tie or something? I mean most people wear, you know jeans and a shirt. Some wear black some don't.

A) Don't wear some stupid band t-shirt or hoodie. I stopped doing that a few years ago. If some band wants their logo splashed across my body, they can pay for it.

B) Wear a color other than black.

www.returntothepit.com/media.php?id=220493&date=dec172005&pic=vital_remains111.jpg

Shades of grey don't count.

C) Wear shoes that aren't combat boots or torn up high tops.

D) Vests. Stupidest shit in history. No one should own one, particularly one covered in patches. I don't care how much you spent on E-Bay for a Sodom back patch, I'm not impressed.

Metal has a uniform just like every other scene. Its just that metal has a really ugly and cheap uniform.

As for Bleach not being metal, it is. If it isn't, half of the genre ceases to be so too. Its way heavier and more groove influenced by way of Black Sabbath and Deep Purple (in Nirvana's case, vis-a-vis Melvins) than almost all of NWOBHM. Its heavier than the shitty artsy wannabe "etherial" metal acts that plague labels like Napalm and Nuclear Blast too. It has more to do with the vision set out by Sabbath, Pentagram, and Sir Lord Baltimore than a band like Tristania ever will.

First of all, you missed the entire point of that post. Yes I can see you only cut part of it out. This so called 'metal' dress is something that only started in the 90's. The big flaired jeans, the black pants with the suspenders and chains, all the girls with all the goth makeup ect...

Really if you want the truth the only metal heads that dressed the way you describe, the vest with patches ect.. all of the time, were the druggies. Back in the day everyone just wore jeans and t-shirts, sweatshirts, and we wore a lot of flannel and denim shirts, hiking boots, loooonnnngggg before grunge ever came along. Tennis shoes, and some guys even wore cowboy type boots or workboots ect.. But ya know this style was not strictly metal, it was just something a lot of people wore. Period. Since when did jeans or sweats, and t-shirts and sweatshirts/hoodies, tennis shoes and boots go out of style??? Dude what do you run around in strictly button up the front dress shirts and a suit? Sandals and boat shoes or what?

I know you surely won't see me at a concert all primped out in some fancy shit where people are walking all over you, spilling beer all over you, and what not.

And btw, I think it is really sad that you wouldn't support a band by wearing one of their t-shirts. That is pathetic.

As for Bleach being metal, well to each his own. But you will not find very many metal heads that even like Nirvana, as a matter of fact most of them really dislike that type of music. As a matter of fact I don't know any that like them. The ones that do like them are generally younger and into punk pretty heavily too. They didn't even discover metal until they were well into their teens. And by that definition you are straying a bit away from the whole metal head description. But we have been over this topic 1 million times.

I believe we have gone over the downfall of headbangers ball because of the Nirvana and other grunge band rotation on that show. They pulled the show because the fans were pissed off, they received over 400 complaint letters per day about this. Couldn't disapoint the kiddies I suppose...so off went the show.

[Nepenthe]

Dude I would hate to see you at a Gwar concert, they throw buckets of fake blood all over the place. At outside shows in the summer you might get hosed down with water....

[zorndeslammes]

First of all, you missed the entire point of that post. Yes I can see you only cut part of it out. This so called 'metal' dress is something that only started in the 90's. The big flaired jeans, the black pants with the suspenders and chains, all the girls with all the goth makeup ect...

Metal "attire" as we know it now hasn't changed since about 1992. Before t-shirts and semi-baggy jeans, it was tight jeans and t-shirts, with denim jackets. That style basically goes back to Thin Lizzy and Van Halen.

Really if you want the truth the only metal heads that dressed the way you describe, the vest with patches ect.. all of the time, were the druggies. Back in the day everyone just wore jeans and t-shirts, sweatshirts, and we wore a lot of flannel and denim shirts, hiking boots, loooonnnngggg before grunge ever came along. Tennis shoes, and some guys even wore cowboy type boots or workboots ect.. But ya know this style was not strictly metal, it was just something a lot of people wore. Period. Since when did jeans or sweats, and t-shirts and sweatshirts/hoodies, tennis shoes and boots go out of style??? Dude what do you run around in strictly button up the front dress shirts and a suit? Sandals and boat shoes or what?

Most people wear clothes other than black t-shirts and black hoodies. They have polos, button downs, and ringers in a wide assortment of colors. They have pants made out of materials other than denim.

I know you surely won't see me at a concert all primped out in some fancy shit where people are walking all over you, spilling beer all over you, and what not.

I fully advocate doing it just for the dirty looks at merch tables when leafing through 7''s.

And btw, I think it is really sad that you wouldn't support a band by wearing one of their t-shirts. That is pathetic.

For one, there's nary a band out there that needs my support, given the way the scene is right now and the amount of money flowing in and out of every metal label on this planet. Secondly, why do I need to show off how awesomely underground I am by wearing a Zyklon shirt or something of the ilk? Wow, look at me, non-holier than thou posing in some fabric that's been cheaply printed on so as to show the few that actually care how impressive my knowledge is. I don't need scene points or need to prove how underground I am at shows.

As for Bleach being metal, well to each his own. But you will not find very many metal heads that even like Nirvana, as a matter of fact most of them really dislike that type of music. As a matter of fact I don't know any that like them. The ones that do like them are generally younger and into punk pretty heavily too. They didn't even discover metal until they were well into their teens. And by that definition you are straying a bit away from the whole metal head description. But we have been over this topic 1 million times.

We probably have. Doesn't change the fact that they're metal, or that Def Leppard was most definitely metal (yet they and their fans didn't fit in with the thrash and power scenes of the day), or that a million other bands with "questionable" fan bases are metal. Besides, unless you're talking about Cannibal Corpse or Helloween, most bands in metal have absurdly young fanbases. Most people around my age or older had the same look of "so what?" when Soilwork played at New England Metalfest.

I believe we have gone over the downfall of headbangers ball because of the Nirvana and other grunge band rotation on that show. They pulled the show because the fans were pissed off, they received over 400 complaint letters per day about this. Couldn't disapoint the kiddies I suppose...so off went the show.

Can't ruin something that wasn't any good to begin with. The bizarre cult around that show that grew in the late 90s is beyond me. 1 1/2 hours of Dokken videos? Blech. Today's Headbangers Ball is better than the old one, and I still have no interest in watching it.

Dude I would hate to see you at a Gwar concert, they throw buckets of fake blood all over the place. At outside shows in the summer you might get hosed down with water....

Well, there's no outdoor festival in the entire world (Dynamo and Wacken included) I want to go to, and if I go to Gwar, I'm gonna dress appropriately. Besides, most "tr00" metal fans wouldn't be caught dead there, given that Gwar is too self aware of the fact that they're merely entertainment and appeals in large part to a young crowd. BTW, what is this about Nirvana being "punk" and then referring to Gwar as a "metal" show? Interesting theory on the definition of the genres...

[skvorisdeadsorta]

Fucking well said, zorn. Holy shit that was a great post.

[Nepenthe]

Metal "attire" as we know it now hasn't changed since about 1992. Before t-shirts and semi-baggy jeans, it was tight jeans and t-shirts, with denim jackets. That style basically goes back to Thin Lizzy and Van Halen.

hhhmm thought I just basically said this here: First of all, you missed the entire point of that post. Yes I can see you only cut part of it out. This so called 'metal' dress is something that only started in the 90's. The big flaired jeans, the black pants with the suspenders and chains, all the girls with all the goth makeup ect...



I guess you must have just felt the urge to repeat me.

Most people wear clothes other than black t-shirts and black hoodies. They have polos, button downs, and ringers in a wide assortment of colors. They have pants made out of materials other than denim.

Yes back in the day, parachute pants were a given at metal concerts, so were painter or carpenter pants, the real kind not the huge big belled type of today. But the majority just plain blue jeans. Also white, red, blue and just about any other color t-shirt or hoodie was popular as well. I don't think I really ever specified a particular color when I was describing the metal attire before the 90's. And get a clue, back in the day there were people that wore polos to concerts, they were more on the 'jock' side, but hey that wasn't unusual at all really. Again, I will stress that the vests with the patches you refered to earlier was mainly the 'druggies'.

For one, there's nary a band out there that needs my support, given the way the scene is right now and the amount of money flowing in and out of every metal label on this planet. Secondly, why do I need to show off how awesomely underground I am by wearing a Zyklon shirt or something of the ilk? Wow, look at me, non-holier than thou posing in some fabric that's been cheaply printed on so as to show the few that actually care how impressive my knowledge is. I don't need scene points or need to prove how underground I am at shows.

Who the hell said anything about proving anything to anyone? Do you have some sort of inferiority complex? I was talking about supporting the band. I am a big collector of various items, especially Maiden stuff. When we go to a concert we buy at least one t-shirt if not more depending on what bands are there.

I fully advocate doing it just for the dirty looks at merch tables when leafing through 7''s.

Again, sounds like you are trying to prove something here to someone. And my god dude, I really don't think that many people would give a flying fuck what you are wearing. Unless of course it is some 15 year old kiddie. Are you that intimidated by kiddies that you feel the need to do this just to get "looks" from 15 year olds? Because I assure you the real fans are there for the damn music and are not interested in your insecurities. Get a grip man. How old are you anyway?

We probably have. Doesn't change the fact that they're metal, or that Def Leppard was most definitely metal (yet they and their fans didn't fit in with the thrash and power scenes of the day), or that a million other bands with "questionable" fan bases are metal. Besides, unless you're talking about Cannibal Corpse or Helloween, most bands in metal have absurdly young fanbases. Most people around my age or older had the same look of "so what?" when Soilwork played at New England Metalfest.

I think you left out part of the title didn't you? Isn't it the New England "Hardcore" and Metalfest? Yes I would expect there would be quite a bit of young fans there. But ya see, I hate most Hardcore and nu metal so you won't find me at a concert like this unless of course there is someone that I really want to see on the list. i.e. In Flames, Iron Maiden, COB. For instance the last ozzfest was full of bullshit bands but I had to go to see In Flames and Maiden.

BTW, there were thrash metallers that went to Def Leppard concerts.

Can't ruin something that wasn't any good to begin with. The bizarre cult around that show that grew in the late 90s is beyond me. 1 1/2 hours of Dokken videos? Blech. Today's Headbangers Ball is better than the old one, and I still have no interest in watching it.

hhhmm seems like you really aren't familar with The Ball at all. It ran from 1985-1994, so I have no idea what you are refering to with the cult of the late 90's. It didn't exist then. And I have several of the old Headbanger's Balls on tape, if you like I can send you some. They played a lot of thrash and extreme music, not just Dokken. They had quite a bit of a variety actually.

The new Ball is nowhere near what the show use to be, but hey its a new fan base with the mallcore nu metal bullshit.

Well, there's no outdoor festival in the entire world (Dynamo and Wacken included) I want to go to, and if I go to Gwar, I'm gonna dress appropriately. Besides, most "tr00" metal fans wouldn't be caught dead there, given that Gwar is too self aware of the fact that they're merely entertainment and appeals in large part to a young crowd. BTW, what is this about Nirvana being "punk" and then referring to Gwar as a "metal" show? Interesting theory on the definition of the genres...

And this is where you are way off on your 'so called' knowledge, or servere lack of.. GWAR is thrash metal, yes some punk influence in their songs. Overkill does the same thing with their music as well as Anthrax, they are still thrash metal. GWAR has also been around since 1985 with their first album out in 1988, their fan base is NOT that young. I have been to their concerts and I have seen the fan base.

[Thorngrub]

nymphofantasia said:

Dude I would hate to see you at a Gwar concert, they throw buckets of fake blood all over the place. At outside shows in the summer you might get hosed down with water....

Fuck Gwar, and fuck pigs. Come to one of our shows in Salt Lake where we splatter and smear real blood from smiling people all over the walls and floor. And we don't need a hose . . . one of our local metal chicks will be more than happy to lick it off every inch of your body.

[Paul]

Wow! That sounds kinda disturbing....
I haven't really heard a lot of undergound/local metal....DC has more of an arty rock / indie rock/ punk kind of sound. Not much for metal here....I'd like to go and see some real metal though.

[Thorngrub]

It is disturbing, frankly. (For obvious reasons) I shy away from being "war painted"
with the fresh bloodletting of my various freakish friends. Every time Becca comes
smoothly padding across the floor with her fingers dripping scarlet, anointing everyone's faces with the sticky red stuff, I'll pick that moment strategically to avoid her approach by heading over to the bathroom or the bar, personally I'm not into playing Injuns of the Dark Lord w/them, I mean they're cute and all, it's just not my style really.

[zorndeslammes]

hhhmm thought I just basically said this here: First of all, you missed the entire point of that post. Yes I can see you only cut part of it out. This so called 'metal' dress is something that only started in the 90's. The big flaired jeans, the black pants with the suspenders and chains, all the girls with all the goth makeup ect...

I guess you must have just felt the urge to repeat me.

The point was that there's always been a "metal uniform". The only difference between now and 1986 is the fit of the jeans. Style in general has moved quite far from 1986, however.

Yes back in the day, parachute pants were a given at metal concerts, so were painter or carpenter pants, the real kind not the huge big belled type of today. But the majority just plain blue jeans. Also white, red, blue and just about any other color t-shirt or hoodie was popular as well. I don't think I really ever specified a particular color when I was describing the metal attire before the 90's. And get a clue, back in the day there were people that wore polos to concerts, they were more on the 'jock' side, but hey that wasn't unusual at all really. Again, I will stress that the vests with the patches you refered to earlier was mainly the 'druggies'.

I don't know what legitimate metal shows people were wearing "parachute pants" to ever. Maybe to Korn, not to Emperor and Morbid Angel. Nor have I ever seen someone wear a polo shirt to a death metal or grindcore show. Maybe a hardcore show (different crowd altogether) but not a metal show.

Who the hell said anything about proving anything to anyone? Do you have some sort of inferiority complex? I was talking about supporting the band. I am a big collector of various items, especially Maiden stuff. When we go to a concert we buy at least one t-shirt if not more depending on what bands are there.

Maiden is the modern day Kiss, so I certainly wouldn't suggest buying pewter figurines or reissues of the same records that are remastered and reissued every 6 months. I buy the bands record, I buy a ticket to the show, and I buy beers at the show. They get a cut of all of it. They don't need me to buy a shirt.

Again, sounds like you are trying to prove something here to someone. And my god dude, I really don't think that many people would give a flying fuck what you are wearing. Unless of course it is some 15 year old kiddie. Are you that intimidated by kiddies that you feel the need to do this just to get "looks" from 15 year olds? Because I assure you the real fans are there for the damn music and are not interested in your insecurities. Get a grip man. How old are you anyway?

I certainly don't feel intimidated, having a superiority complex most of the time (especially at metal shows, heh). I do enjoy messing with the screwed us sensibilities of the metal kids though, and it brings me great pleasure.

I think you left out part of the title didn't you? Isn't it the New England "Hardcore" and Metalfest? Yes I would expect there would be quite a bit of young fans there. But ya see, I hate most Hardcore and nu metal so you won't find me at a concert like this unless of course there is someone that I really want to see on the list. i.e. In Flames, Iron Maiden, COB. For instance the last ozzfest was full of bullshit bands but I had to go to see In Flames and Maiden.

Yeah, the New England Metalfest is catering to youngin's and beneath you, but you'll go to Ozzfest? Uh-HUH. Dude/dudette, prior to that, the last show I went to was Mercyful Fate at Jaxx, outside Richmond. Even for a total mullet fanbase headliner, it was 75% people under 21.

BTW, there were thrash metallers that went to Def Leppard concerts.

Not horribly many. The crossover between Kreator fans and Def Leppard fans (espeically post-Pyromania) is pretty minimal.

hhhmm seems like you really aren't familar with The Ball at all. It ran from 1985-1994, so I have no idea what you are refering to with the cult of the late 90's. It didn't exist then. And I have several of the old Headbanger's Balls on tape, if you like I can send you some. They played a lot of thrash and extreme music, not just Dokken. They had quite a bit of a variety actually.

I'm aware of its run. I'm also aware of the bizarre cult that was begging for its recreation at MTV, having forgotten what the original was like. There was no goddamned "extreme metal" on Headbangers Ball in 1987. None. The only time it ever crossed over and showed primarily thrash/death/power metal was for a short 2 year span between 91-92, before grunge became the primary video source.

The new Ball is nowhere near what the show use to be, but hey its a new fan base with the mallcore nu metal bullshit.

You're right: It basically shows metal videos all the time. And all the kids that were buying chain wallet holders and baggy pants with 18,000 caribeners on them is basically still buying that stuff, and listening to Killswitch Engage instead.

Well, there's no outdoor festival in the entire world (Dynamo and Wacken included) I want to go to, and if I go to Gwar, I'm gonna dress appropriately. Besides, most "tr00" metal fans wouldn't be caught dead there, given that Gwar is too self aware of the fact that they're merely entertainment and appeals in large part to a young crowd. BTW, what is this about Nirvana being "punk" and then referring to Gwar as a "metal" show? Interesting theory on the definition of the genres...

And this is where you are way off on your 'so called' knowledge, or servere lack of.. GWAR is thrash metal, yes some punk influence in their songs. Overkill does the same thing with their music as well as Anthrax, they are still thrash metal. GWAR has also been around since 1985 with their first album out in 1988, their fan base is NOT that young. I have been to their concerts and I have seen the fan base.

Gwar is not a thrash metal band. Hell no. Not even in the current incarnation.

[skvorisdeadsorta]

I'm changing the title of this board to "The OCM".