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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 13, 2007 14:13:18 GMT -5
The companion piece for the Side One/Track One discussion: what are the greatest album closers of all time?
The same simple rules apply: no compilitions, no live albums unless they consist of entirely unreleased material, etc. I'm thinking primarily in the rock context, but feel free to go as far afield as you care to.
So post your top 25 picks, and feel free to comment on the other lists. Tentative deadline will be NEXT Friday, which is (I believe) Feb. 23, 2007.
Have at it!
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 13, 2007 14:15:31 GMT -5
Okay, first question: How do we deal with hidden tracks? Example: is the album closer of record on the Blanche album "Someday" or "Runnin' With the Devil"?
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Post by Galactus on Feb 13, 2007 14:36:41 GMT -5
Hidden tracks don't count...imo...
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Post by Galactus on Feb 13, 2007 14:41:55 GMT -5
...I guess it could though, of course my mind goes straight to Springsteen- Meeting Across The River is like part of Jungleland in my head, it should be anyway...
What about say The Abby Road medley? Is that sperate tracks or a single closer? (don't worry about Her Majesty for a moment...)
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 13, 2007 14:56:50 GMT -5
I'd say you can either list both tracks ("Someday/Running With the Devil") or you can just list the "hidden" cut if it's well known and more than just a snippet ("Train in Vain").
If it clocks in at thirty seconds or less (i.e. "Her Majesty" isn't really the closer for Abbey Road, except as a tag on to "The End" (arguably, that's even misleading and it should be "Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End/Her Majesty"), um where was I? oh yeah) then it should be appended to the previous song (as I did with the Beatles Abbey Road example above). (Did I set a parenthetical record in this paragraph yet? There's more parenthetical here than not).
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 13, 2007 14:57:47 GMT -5
Ha! I started typing my last post in response to Rocky's question, got tied up on the phone, and wound up answering DED's without even being aware of it!  |
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 13, 2007 15:00:43 GMT -5
I've always thought of "Someday" as really being the album closer. And usually think of the last "official" track as the closer, just because often times there's a big gap before those hidden tracks and they aren't really a part of the album if you know what I mean. This may need to be more heavily debated. I think I'm with DED.
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Post by skvorisdeadsorta on Feb 13, 2007 15:04:48 GMT -5
Top 25 Album Closers
1. “Hurt”- Nine Inch Nails “The Downward Spiral”
2. “The Call of Ktulu”-Metallica “Ride The Lightning”
3. “Mogwai Fear Satan”-Mogwai “Young Team”
4. “Something In The Way”-Nirvana “Nevermind”
5. “Sister Ray” –The Velvet Underground “White Light/White Heat”
6. “Download” Skinny Puppy “Last Rights”
7. “Antennas To Heaven” GSYBE! “Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven”
8. “Gouge Away”-The Pixies “Doolittle”
9. “Fight The Power” Public Enemy “Fear Of A Black Planet”
10. “Fillmore Jive”-Pavement “CRCR”
11. “Casey Jones” The Grateful Dead “Workingman’s Dead”
12. “Seasons In The Abyss” Slayer “Seasons In The Abyss”
13. “Daydream” Smashing Pumpkins “Gish”
14. “It’s All Gonna Break” Broken Social Scene “Broken Social Scene”
15. “Switch” Siouxsie and the Banshees “Scream”
16. “Train In Vain” The Clash “London Calling”
17. “Decades” Joy Division “Closer”
18. “Here Come The Warm Jets” Brian Eno “Here Come The Warm Jets”
19. “Colours” Sisters of Mercy “Floodland”
20. “Rocket Queen” Guns N Roses “Appetite for Destruction”
21. “Goodbye Sober Day” Mr. Bungle “California”
22. “We Hate You Little Girls” Throbbing Gristle “DOA”
23. “The Man Machine” Kraftwerk “The Man Machine”
24. “Great Release” LCD Soundsystem “LCD Soundsystem”
25. “I Shall Be Released” The Band “Music From Big Pink”
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Post by Galactus on Feb 13, 2007 15:07:55 GMT -5
I think when then hidden track is fifteen or twenty minutes after the last listed track it's clearly not meant to be part of the "album" but if there's an unlisted track immediately after the last listed track then it probably is. Though again I think even if multiple tracks are listed you could use them as long they make up the closer as a whole....though you couldn't list the last four tracks just because you really like all four tracks...
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Post by Kensterberg on Feb 13, 2007 15:16:01 GMT -5
When the songs run together seemlessly (like the Abbey Road medley), I think it's fair to list all of them. But when it's (for example) three songs that just fit together beautifully (the closing trio for Ziggy Stardust springs immediately to mind -- "Ziggy Stardust," "Suffragette City," and "Rock and Roll Suicide") you can't list all three. Therefore, you can properly vote for "Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End" but if you wanna vote for something from Ziggy Stardust, the only thing you can pick is "Rock and Roll Suicide."
As for those ones where there's a big-ass break within the track and then a totally unrelated song comes on ... well, I think that's an individual call. Does Lyle Lovett's Road to Ensenada end with "Christmas" or with "The Girl in the Corner" -- that's your decision, I think. I try to be a lumper not a splitter when it comes to figuring these things up, and so it's likely that if we've got two votes for Abbey Road (for example), it won't really matter which songs are listed there, it'll go in the "Abbey Road" column.
Does that make sense?
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Post by Thorngrub on Feb 13, 2007 15:25:37 GMT -5
1. Brain Damage/Eclipse - Dark Side Of The Moon/ pink floyd
2. Rock & Roll Suicide - Ziggy Stardust / David Bowie
3. Third Eye - Aenima / tool
4. Daddy - koRn
5. Disgustipated - Undertow / tool
6. Cygnus X-1 - A Farewell To Kings / rush
7. The Trial/Outside The Wall - The Wall / pink floyd
8. This Is The Sea - This Is The Sea /the Waterboys
9. Tearjerker - See You On The Other Side / koRn
10. Here Comes The Flood - peter gabriel (1/'car')
11. No One's There - Untouchables / KoRn
12. Dirty - iSsuEs / koRn
13. Aerials - Toxicity / System Of A Down
14. Heart Of The Sunrise - Fragile / Yes
15. In The Name Of God - Train Of Thought / Dream Theater
16. Buckets Of Rain - Blood On The Tracks / Bob Dylan
17. Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black) - Rust Never Sleeps / Neil Young
18. Desolation Row - HIghway 61 Revisited / Bob Dylan
19. For Your Pleasure - For Your Pleasure / Roxy Music
20. Wind Up - Aqualung / Jethro Tull
21. The Bewlay Brothers - Hunky Dory / David Bowie
22. Demon Of The Fall - My Arms, Your Hearse / Opeth
23. Amused To Death - Amused To Death / Roger Waters
24. Here Come The Warm Jets - Here Come The Warm Jets / eno
25. Winter (Requiem, Chapter Three: Finale) - Monotheist / Celtic Frost
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Post by Thorngrub on Feb 13, 2007 17:02:21 GMT -5
skvor ! awesome #1 choice ! I'd've listed it in the Top 3 for sure, had I thunk of it !
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Post by Thorngrub on Feb 13, 2007 17:03:25 GMT -5
& I was going to list Call of Ktulu, but don't know why I didn't. @least we got 1 in common . . .
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Post by rockysigman on Feb 13, 2007 17:08:17 GMT -5
Okay, here we go. I know that "Radio Radio" is going to be disputed as the album closer, but I don't care. I also don't care that my first couple picks are obvious and boring. Sticking to my two per artist rule:
1) Nirvana – “All Apologies” – In Utero
2) The Beatles – “A Day in the Life” – Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
3) X – “The World’s a Mess; It’s In My Kiss” – Los Angeles
4) Elvis Costello – “Radio Radio” – This Year’s Model
5) The Zombies – “Time of the Season” – Oddessey and Oracle
6) The Pixies – “Gouge Away” – Doolittle
7) The Velvet Underground – “Sister Ray” – White Light/White Heat
8) Mission of Burma – “That’s How I Escaped My Certain Fate” – Vs.
9) TOOL – “Third Eye” – Ænima
10) Bob Dylan – “Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands” – Blonde on Blonde
11) Sonic Youth - "Trilogy: The Wonder/Hyperstation Jr./Eliminator" - Daydream Nation
12) The Clash – “Garageland” – The Clash
13) Lou Reed – “The Bells” – The Bells
14) Nine Inch Nails – “Hurt” – The Downward Spiral
15) The Beatles – “Tomorrow Never Knows” – Revolver
16) Stone Temple Pilots – “Atlanta” – No. 4
17) Blanche – “Someday” – If We Can’t Trust the Doctors...
18) Neko Case & Her Boyfriends – “Furnace Room Lullaby” – Furnace Room Lullaby
19) Fugazi – “Argument” – The Argument
20) Sonic Youth - "The Diamond Sea" - Washing Machine
21) Red Hot Chili Peppers – “Venice Queen” – By the Way
22) The Replacements – “Here Comes a Regular” – Tim
23) The Velvet Underground – “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” – Loaded
24) Television – “Torn Curtain” – Marquee Moon
25) Radiohead - "Street Spirit (Fade Out)" - The Bends
Honorable Mentions:
The Arcade Fire – “In the Back Seat” – Funeral
Big Star – “I’m In Love With a Girl” – Radio City
The Clash – “All the Young Punks (New Boots and Contracts)” – Give ‘Em Enough Rope
Elvis Costello & the Attractions– “(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding” – Armed Forces
Bob Dylan – “Desolation Row” – Highway 61 Revisited
The Go – “I Got It” – The Go
Iggy & the Stooges – “Death Trip” – Raw Power
Mission of Burma – “Absent Mind” – ONoffON
Oasis – “Married With Children” – Definitely Maybe
Oasis – “Champagne Supernova” – (What’s the Story) Morning Glory
Pearl Jam – “Indifference” – Vs.
Lou Reed – “Dime Store Mystery” – New York
Red Hot Chili Peppers – “Organic Anti-Beat Box Band” – The Uplift Mofo Party Plan
The Replacements – “Can’t Hardly Wait” – Pleased to Meet Me
The Sights – “Nobody” – Got What We Want
The Smiths – “Suffer Little Children” – The Smiths
Soundgarden – “Like Suicide” – Superunknown
The Toadies – “I Burn” – Rubberneck
The White Stripes – “This Protector” – White Blood Cells
The White Stripes – “I’m Lonely (But I Ain’t That Lonely Yet) – Get Behind Me Satan
Wilco – “Reservations” – Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
U2 - "Mothers of the Disappeared" - The Joshua Tree
X – “The Have Nots” – Under the Big Black Sun
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Post by Thorngrub on Feb 13, 2007 17:11:37 GMT -5
– “A Day in the Life” – ,
– “The World’s a Mess; It’s In My Kiss” ,
“Gouge Away” ,
– “Third Eye” – ,
– “Hurt” –,
– “Tomorrow Never Knows” ,
“Here Comes a Regular” – ,
“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” ,
– “Champagne Supernova” – ,
YES ! good choices mate
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